International students are losing their U.S. visas for joining protests—especially around the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. But is this about national security… or political optics?
In this episode of Stay in the Gray Podcast, Ryan unpacks two high-profile cases—Ramisa Ozturk and Hamad Khalil—whose activism triggered visa revocations and national backlash. What happens when free speech crosses borders, or collides with terrorism designations?
🎙 Topics include:
– Student protests, deportations, and legal gray areas
– The Hamas controversy and U.S. policy lines
– Academic freedom vs. federal law
– Ryan’s personal experience navigating the U.S. visa process
This episode doesn’t pick sides—it asks what happens when institutions do.
🔥 Hit Follow if you believe questions matter more than soundbites.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
00:50 - Podcast Theme
01:27 - April Fools' Day Commentary
02:22 - U.S. Protests and Deportation Policies
05:03 - Ramisa Ozturk Case
07:37 - Hamad Khalil Case
09:42 - Public Reactions
14:48 - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Context
19:32 - Host’s Visa Experience
20:38 - Racism Accusations
22:59 - Free Speech vs. National Security
27:14 - Call for Open Dialogue
30:37 - Wrap-up and Future Topics
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If you are shouting to the heavens about how much you hate
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this country, then you do not need to be here.
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There's a difference between protesting injustice and
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protesting and supporting a terrorist organization that
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wants to kill us. What you don't have a right to
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do is climb that fucking flagpole and pull the United
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States flag down and put up a flag.
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Leadership is a terrorist organization.
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You do not have the right to do that.
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So thousands of years, but somehow 22 year old exchange
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student named Kevin from Leeds is going to sit here and scream
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America's the problem while holding a cardboard sign outside
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of a Chipotle in Brooklyn. Welcome to Stay in the Gray
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We'll see that. Hey guys, April the 1st, 2025.
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Don't worry, there are no April Fool's jokes on this episode.
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They are getting annoying all over social media.
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That's all I'm seeing and I'm about ready to be done with this
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day. Let's move on to April the
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second. However, it is April 1st and I
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want to talk about something that I've been avoiding and
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we're going to do this thing. It will trigger some of you.
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But again, I just want to talk. So if you're willing to listen,
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come on board. And and you know, if you're
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going to comment and make some, you know, bullshit, you know,
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yelling at me for whatever reason, then just just don't
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just move on. But if you have something
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legitimate to say, go ahead. I can take it.
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And that is about the protests that are happening in the United
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States of America and the deportations as a result of some
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of those protests. The protests I'm referring to
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are in regards to the Palestinian and Israeli
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conflict. Still, it's still going on.
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It's still an issue. Our country, the United States,
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is divided over it and it's caused issues.
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And so we're going to talk about it.
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It's setting college campuses ablaze with all of its chaos.
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Try again. Like I said, visas are being
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revoked and the reason visas are being revoked is because
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somebody here on a student visa or a work visa is not protected
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under the 1st Amendment for freedom of speech with that.
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So if you're going to walk into this country and you're going to
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all the sudden support groups that we've deemed to be
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terrorist organizations and you are chanting death to America
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and you were doing all sorts of other things, antagonizing
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innocent Jews in this country. If you have a problem with the
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government, that's fine. But you're going after innocent
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people on your campuses. This is not OK.
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This is grounds for getting kicked out, being uninvited.
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And there's nothing wrong with that.
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I'm going to, I'm going to look at both sides of this and I'm
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going to try and stay neutral, which is what I do to a point.
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But I'm going to go ahead and tell you right now that this,
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this podcast and myself included are pretty much pro banning in
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most cases, but we'll talk about it.
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Let's get into it. Here's the deal.
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Students and workers on visas, like I mentioned, are protesting
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the injustice that is taking place in Gaza.
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Well, that's their right. Or is it?
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Like I mentioned before, not exactly.
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If they're on a visa, it's not protected and they're here on
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conditions is another way to put it.
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And those conditions basically say, don't do what they're
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doing. If you are shouting to the
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heavens about how much you hate this country, then you do not
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need to be here. There's a difference between
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protesting injustice and protesting and supporting a
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terrorist organization that wants to kill us.
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I'll talk about a couple of examples.
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First off there was a young lady named Rumisa Ozturk I believe
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that was perfect Turkish. Although Turk is in her name.
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I just realized that she's a Turkish PhD student at Tufts
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University. Apparently a very brilliant
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woman had a lot going for her. She co-authored an article that
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was calling Israelis actions state terrorism.
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Regardless whether I agree or with her or not, I respect that
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opinion. The problem is, is now she's
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taken to the streets and she's protesting on behalf of
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Palestinians and Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist
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organization who was elected into power.
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It is not OK to jump out into the streets and side with a
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terrorist organization. I'm sorry, you don't have to
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like that, but that's the way it is right now.
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Boom, visa gone for this young lady.
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I swooped in there like it was a finale of Homeland.
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She was gone and a lot of people have a problem with that.
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A lot of people don't. So what I want to do is try and
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get to the bottom of whether that's the right action to take
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or whether that's an extreme. I, I just have a hard time with
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it. When you were talking about
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terrorist organization, I've said it a million times.
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I've said it already multiple times here in this show.
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I just, these people do not want us alive.
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These people do not in any way think that the West, I mean,
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they literally are, are chanting for jihad against the infidels,
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which is us. I just have a hard time with
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that and allowing that to be just out there in our country,
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on our campuses, indoctrinating the minds of people that don't
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quite understand it. And that may be the biggest
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issue. I made jokes here.
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Sources confirm that calling for intifada, which I believe is
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another word for jihad on US soil, well on F1 visas, might be
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a bad idea. It is.
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It's not an attack on academic freedom.
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Again, these people were invited here.
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They are simply being uninvited. The second one is a little more
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controversial. And that's where I when it comes
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into play where I'm going to try and stay neutral in this case
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and try and understand both sides.
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This is a man named Mahmoud Khalil.
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Many of you have already heard this name.
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He is a Columbia University grad student.
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And this is a different case because he has a green card.
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His wife is also here legally, and I believe she's even a
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citizen at this point. The issue I have with this
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gentleman is that even though you're here and you have a green
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card, you're protesting and you've got banners that are
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aligning with Hamas, not even just Palestine, Hamas, that's
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the problem. It's not the Palestinian people,
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the innocent people that are there.
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Who have been dealing with this conflict for a very long time.
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You're now supporting the leadership there, which wants
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Americans dead. I have a problem with that.
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And apparently he's also harassing the Jewish students on
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campus as well. Again, legally is where we come
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into an issue because, yes, he does have a green card.
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So deportation perhaps shouldn't be the option.
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Well, some people agree with that and some people don't agree
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with that. And he's still being held.
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The part that I have an issue with is it tugs on my
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heartstrings as a compassionate person.
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Although some of you like to tell me I'm not, I believe deep
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down I am. And he has a child on the way.
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He or she will be here very soon.
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From that standpoint, I want this man to be able to be there
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for his wife and his children. At the same time, I it angers me
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that he had to do this bullshit. I don't care if you believe a
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certain way. You have to do it respectfully
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and you have to do it understanding that you are in
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this country and you were invited here and you do not
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disrespect that country. There's a way to do it.
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There's a way to talk about any injustice as you feel have been
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done. But to go in here and align with
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the terrorist organization that hates us is not the way to do
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it. This is the part, you know,
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there's always a part after the the story where I just gave you
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a serious story. I gave you some emotion to it,
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child on the way, things like that.
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And then there's always the stupid people that come into
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play. And in this case, the stupid
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people are graduates of Columbia University who are literally,
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literally ripping up their diplomas because of Columbia's
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decision and because of the decision that's been made to to
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call out these protests. I have nothing to say except
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what a bunch of idiots. You pay upwards of $200 to
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go to an Ivy League school like Columbia.
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Many people can't get in there. Many people don't even try.
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And something like this. And I laugh because 99% of you
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have absolutely no clue what's going on, 99% of you have never
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been there, and 99% of you frankly are maybe a little lower
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than 99 on this one. But a lot of you just want to
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bitch about the new establishment in charge.
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And although it's been an, A complete establishment effort
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when it comes to the United States government and its
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relationship with Israel, again, whole nother topic.
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I'm simply talking about the protests and the deportation of
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people that have green cards and people that have visas.
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That's it. We can get into the Israeli
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Palestinian conflict. It's just not going anywhere.
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We can talk about it to no end. So they're ripping it up.
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I just, I, I can't, and I apologize because I just, I saw
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videos of these people, you know, ripping, ripping it up
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like they were just, they're showing us.
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And, and the only person, the only people they're hurting are
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themselves because they look like fools.
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And obviously you don't have to have the piece of paper to prove
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that you have your degree from that university.
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So I'm not sure what this is doing, but you know, you do you.
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This is a country where people come in to go to school.
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They want to be here. They literally use the country
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literally lets you in to use everything in this country.
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You use roads, you use the universities, the campuses, the
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anything and everything in this country.
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Now you're using the Internet, you have access to everything in
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this country. And it'd be, it's like saying,
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hey, thanks, I'm going to go ahead.
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And how about this taking down the American flag and flying a
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Palestinian flag? This is enraging.
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This is absurd, the fact that this is going on and that nobody
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seemed to care much. People cared, but nobody seemed
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to care much when it came to the people to deliver the news or
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the people that could stop it or the people that could make sure
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that these, the ones that did it are punished accordingly.
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This is not OK. I'm going to give you an
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example. And it happened at Chapel Hill,
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NC. And this was where the American
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flag was pulled down of the administration building in North
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Carolina, the University of North Carolina and the poor
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interim chancellor, I believe, I'm not sure if he was the
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chancellor, if he was the the president of the university, he
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had to go in himself and try and like battle to get this flag put
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back up, our own country's flag put back up.
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I don't care at all if you want to side with the Palestinians.
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I don't. I don't even care if you decide
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that for whatever reason you're OK with Hamas.
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Doesn't make any sense and I think you're an asshole, but
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that you're right. What you don't have a right to
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do is climb that fucking flagpole and pull the United
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States flag down and put up a flag where the leadership is a
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terrorist organization. You do not have the right to do
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that. And I guarantee if you keep up
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the shenanigans, you'll get yours.
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But these are the problems. I'm sitting here telling you, I
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want to stay neutral. I want to listen.
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But when you go and do something like this, I don't have that
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interest. And that's what's happening is
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that much of the country is turning on you and saying, whoa,
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whoa, whoa, you've got too far. I mean, it's, it's like showing
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up to the wedding, slapping the groom and thanking him for the
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food that you're there for. It's, it's not cool.
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It's not OK. The the funniest part of all
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this, and I and I say funny and just the ironic part of all of
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this, is that these people are are complaining about something
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that's been happening for thousands of years.
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Like literal centuries and centuries and centuries of
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political and religious and historical and physical conflict
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between groups over land. This is not debatable.
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If anything, the Israelis and Israel were their first
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considering that Islam, hence Palestinian people didn't even
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come to be until about 630 something.
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But that's not something people want to talk about.
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It's only this current little window of time where we've had
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the most violent part of the conflict when it comes to the
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civilians, in my opinion. And I don't know, I mean, I
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don't know what happened in 236. I don't know if people were
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dying of the way they are now, you know, so thousands of years,
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but somehow a 22 year old exchange student named Kevin
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from Leeds is going to sit here and scream America's the problem
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while holding a cardboard sign outside of a Chipotle in
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Brooklyn. What are you doing by coming
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here and doing that? You're not going to solve
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anything. Are you that desperate to virtue
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signal that you need to RIP apart the, the very country that
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has allowed you to be here to study, the very country that has
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accepted you and offered all of its resources to you?
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Get over it and and stop with the virtue signalling.
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It's, it's becoming a problem. Another funny thing to me that
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I'm trying to figure out a way to say this without really
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upsetting everybody. But all of these activists that
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are here on visas and, and even the green cards to a point, they
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sit there and they say free speech, free speech.
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But like I mentioned, it doesn't apply to you.
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You're not a citizen, You don't have that benefit.
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And all of you that want to sit here and tell me that that
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that's incorrect, go ahead. But you should maybe look it up
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first before you look foolish. The Constitution does not come
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and the student welcome packet when you get when you arrive.
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So this is an interesting, you know, good luck to all of you
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that are doing this. By the way, apparently the US
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government is using AI to monitor the posts and facial
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recognition of these very people.
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Obviously, you can't go online either and do this.
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So that being said, if you flew in on a visa and you're
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hashtagging jihad now and you're shouting from the river to the
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sea, guess what? They got your face in a folder
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that said goodbye. Not smart.
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So maybe you should stay off of social media as well.
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I'm just giving you the information.
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So let's talk. I've set it up and now I'm going
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to play neutral. Why are people upset?
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Well, there are a few reasons and let's talk about those
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before we talk about why people are accepting this.
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People are upset because they are claiming academic freedom.
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They're saying revoking visas over political opinions ruins
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the spirit of open debate. Again, it's not domestic
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citizens who are being silenced. They're guests who are being
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uninvited. There is a difference and you
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have to respect that whether you like it or not.
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That's one reason. The next reason is, and people
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in these universities are now panicking and so people are
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really uncomfortable with that notion that their students are
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freaking out. Students are claiming they're
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scared to post like memes, funny memes about Palestine because in
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Israel, because they're going to be rounded up if you they have a
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visa. Well, I think you just need to
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use your head a little bit. I can't imagine you post some
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funny meme about Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel, and
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all of a sudden you're rounded up by ice.
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I just I don't see it, you know, but if you're hashtagging and
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you're out there and you're calling for the death of
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Americans or the death of Jews and you are siding with Hamas
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and you're talking about all these things anti American
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rhetoric. Why would you do it?
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That's my question. What what is it worth it?
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What what are you doing? Use your head.
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You got into this country to go to school for a reason.
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I think you should use it. I just feel like if your people
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on visas, quick story, I was on a visa the other way.
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I went over to the UK and to Scotland to do a master's
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degree. I had to get a student visa when
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I was there, man, I didn't want to fuck up at all.
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They they would just, you're out of here.
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So I was very cautious about anything I did and there wasn't
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anything like this even going on.
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This is a kind of a big deal. I tell you what, somebody, a cop
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came up to me and and thought that I was the one that threw a
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cigarette butt down and was littering.
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And I was freaked out because even though it wasn't me, she
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thought it was. And she's like, well, I need to
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go to the tape. But I was like, fine, go to the
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tape. And apparently that that was
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enough for her to see my intensity to know that that tape
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was not going to show anybody. It wasn't going to show me
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discarding a cigarette butt. But that was scary, just that.
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So maybe if you're here on visa, you you should just kind of tone
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it down and just talk about it with your friends over a beer at
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the bar, you know, and of course, here we go.
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Racism accusations. This is only targeting Muslims
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and Arabs. No, it's not.
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How many people are out there from all over the world
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protesting this thing? Yes.
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I mean, I would say that the majority of our own citizens
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have no tie to anything Muslim or Arab.
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Homeland Security came out and said no.
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We revoked a French anarchists passport for supporting Antifa
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last year. It's all over.
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It's not just this race thing is just it's unbelievable.
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I mean, it's no matter what happens, it's racist no matter
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what. And this isn't the case.
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Obviously, the two players in the game, one of them is an Arab
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country or an Arab people with extreme Muslim leaders.
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So yes, there's going to be a lot of those people involved,
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but that doesn't mean that it's this racist and this is just
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what it is. And lastly, I think a lot of
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people are going, well, where does this end?
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Here we are and you're just taking people out of the country
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who we already welcomed here because of their opinions.
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Again, I'm telling you why people are upset.
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My issue is they've crossed the line.
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But this is what people are saying.
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Well, you know, what if the authorities don't like climate
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protesting? What if they don't like, you
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know, vegan protesting? And no one's going to kick a
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vegan out or a climate change a protester for for that.
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But that's the issue. Where's the line?
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And I think the line is simple. I think it's the support of
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groups that have, you know, rocket launchers pointed at us
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saying the West needs to die. That's where my line is.
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If you are protesting veganism, I think you're safe now here we
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go for the other side. These are the people I think I'm
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I'm leaned, leaned a little bit that way as as had been proven
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in my babbling. But these are the people that
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don't see a problem with the way this is going.
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These are the people that want action that we can't, that
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believe we cannot sit here anymore and just take it and
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just be so concerned about everybody being offended that we
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turn the other way when we have people here that want to do bad
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things to us. So where I agree is if you know,
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again, again, I've said it a million times, if you're here
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on, on a visa and support a group that the US is designated
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a terrorist organization, it's not freedom of speech, it's a
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risk assessment period. This isn't hard to understand.
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You can't show up to the host country waving a flag of its
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enemy. I think that would apply
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anywhere in the world. Try and go over there.
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Try and go try and walk through Iran waving an American flag.
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I'm not sure that will go well for you, but if you do it,
00:23:37
please report back so I can talk about it on this show.
00:23:41
It's just bad manners. I love my little jokes I write
00:23:44
down here. It like I said, and I'll I'll
00:23:47
use another analogy. I mean, imagine being invited to
00:23:50
dinner and and getting up on the table and saying you suck and
00:23:53
I'm going to support the people that want to burn this house
00:23:55
down. It's exactly what it's like.
00:23:58
I'm trying to give you these analogies so that the people
00:24:00
that don't get it can try and understand.
00:24:04
OK, it's not about lack of compassion.
00:24:07
If anything, it's the other. It's the people who are
00:24:11
protesting, who are not being respectful and compassionate.
00:24:16
There are innocent people on our side too.
00:24:19
That's whatever. This is all about injustice,
00:24:21
innocent people while you're hurting innocent people over
00:24:23
here. I get it.
00:24:26
I understand there is a line between injustice and supporting
00:24:32
terrorism. And I understand that many of
00:24:34
you were going to say that's what we're doing.
00:24:37
We're protesting injustice. It has nothing to do with Hamas.
00:24:43
I urge you to go and take a look at some of these, some of the
00:24:47
signs that are being held, some of the things that are being
00:24:51
chanted. And I, and I beg you to listen
00:24:54
to that and go, all right, maybe I see that line that Ryan was
00:24:58
talking about. And and then maybe just change
00:25:01
your perspective and encourage people to protest respectfully
00:25:05
about this believed injustice that's been happening for a
00:25:09
certain number of years. And that, you know, that's the
00:25:12
Gray area we live in. And I'm going to do a selfless
00:25:16
plug of the show, of the name of the show.
00:25:18
We live in this Gray area. But supporting Hamas while on a
00:25:23
visa, It's not Gray. That's not a Gray area.
00:25:26
That's fucking fire truck red, if you will.
00:25:32
Again, I'll say it, protest Israeli policies all you want.
00:25:39
I still don't think that you know everything that's going on.
00:25:43
You hear one side a lot of times and I admit that that the other
00:25:47
side does the same. Israelis tend to be believe
00:25:51
their government and their their press, their publications like
00:25:56
minded probably to you in that regard.
00:25:59
You listen to Palestinian people, publications, press as
00:26:05
well. And so the, the I challenge both
00:26:07
sides to kind of crossover and say, all right, look, this is
00:26:11
getting silly. Both sides have innocent
00:26:13
civilians. Both sides have leadership that
00:26:18
needs some work. And here the United States is
00:26:21
stuck in the middle. We have a good relationship with
00:26:24
Israel. We just do.
00:26:26
And a lot of it is because of the treatment of of Jewish
00:26:30
people. We do not stand for
00:26:31
anti-Semitism and a lot of people on the Palestinian side
00:26:36
can't stand to hear that. But that doesn't mean we can't
00:26:39
stand for you as well. It's like I always say with
00:26:43
Ukraine and Russia, they, they, one of them, it doesn't have to
00:26:46
be 1 or the other. They can both be assholes in
00:26:48
this case and they are. That's for another show.
00:26:52
So I'm pausing for a fact here. I just talked about the idea
00:26:57
that both of of them are to blame.
00:26:59
And I really believe that. And I had I had it written, I
00:27:01
kind of went off on it before I had had it here written down to
00:27:04
say, but I really believe that. So I'll end that part of it with
00:27:10
a offer, with an offer. Come on the show if you think
00:27:17
that I have it all wrong. I had a young, lovely Israeli
00:27:23
woman on about a year ago after, I guess it was right after
00:27:28
October 7th had happened, and she came on and gave her side.
00:27:31
She has family there, she's from there.
00:27:35
She has the accent. This is somebody that I want to
00:27:39
hear from because she has credibility.
00:27:47
What I don't want to hear, who I don't want to hear from, are
00:27:49
these college students who don't know shit about it.
00:27:52
And I'm trying to say that in a nice way, but there's really no
00:27:55
nice way to say it, is there? If you are Palestinian or you
00:27:59
have family that's Palestinian, I want to hear your side.
00:28:03
You don't have to come on if you don't want to, but write it out
00:28:07
on any of the social media. Shoot me a message on on our
00:28:10
YouTube videos that come out and explain it to me.
00:28:13
Explain how this isn't at least at least both sides
00:28:17
responsibility and how these protests can be tamed down a
00:28:21
little bit. I, I want to hear, I mean, I, I
00:28:25
just, I don't get it. I don't get this anti US that's
00:28:29
going on. And it's not just this topic.
00:28:31
I'm having a very hard time with it.
00:28:33
And a lot of the shows that I do have to do with that these days.
00:28:36
I don't understand why we're against our own country.
00:28:41
And so the US is drawing hard. We're drawing hard lines now on
00:28:44
a lot of stuff and it's it's frustrating a lot of people who
00:28:49
consider themselves globalists who think we're alienating our
00:28:53
allies, which we're not. If anything, they've been
00:28:56
alienating us, tariffing us, doing all these things and
00:29:00
taking advantage of us. And we're just pushing back and
00:29:04
saying that ain't happening anymore.
00:29:06
And I think this is the case here.
00:29:08
People are so quick to jump on the US for what they're doing,
00:29:11
although it's in the United States best interest to look
00:29:15
after itself first. I have some Muslim friends who
00:29:20
said just that and I respect them more than they than they
00:29:24
know. They I talk to them when these
00:29:26
things come up and I definitely look forward to having them on
00:29:30
the show. They're not Palestinian, but
00:29:33
they are Muslim. And so to hear myself who is
00:29:40
close with them, who is part of the West, say, man, I don't get
00:29:45
this Muslim extremism. They don't like it.
00:29:48
It makes the religion look bad. They don't like extremism of any
00:29:51
kind. Of course they we have lots of
00:29:54
discussions about how Israel can be viewed by a lot of people as
00:29:58
an extremist government. That's a different story.
00:30:01
Let's talk about it. But they are saying the same
00:30:04
thing. They're like, look, you've got
00:30:05
to do what you've got to do, whether it's because of
00:30:09
politics, whether it's because of just national security.
00:30:13
And they get it. And I respect that.
00:30:15
And, and they swear to me up and down that the majority of them
00:30:18
are like that. And I believe them.
00:30:21
And I can't wait to go over there and visit.
00:30:23
And I hope that I hope I'm treated OK.
00:30:27
It's something that again, has me thinking about all the issues
00:30:33
and this show, I'm trying to give you a little bit of
00:30:36
everything. The last couple of episodes I've
00:30:38
given you AI, I've given you talk about cancel culture,
00:30:45
talked about whether college is worth it these days.
00:30:49
I really look forward to having some guests on.
00:30:52
In fact, I have one that that I'm, I'm, I'm lining up that
00:30:54
just kind of happened today, actually.
00:30:58
And I'm very excited about it. And it's, you know, it's your
00:31:01
typical tragedy. And it was hard for me to hear
00:31:06
her tell me about it much less. I can only imagine what what
00:31:10
it'll be like to hear about it on a show.
00:31:13
And I'm getting that kind of set up on how I want to approach
00:31:15
that. I'm excited about this show.
00:31:17
I'm excited about where it's moving.
00:31:19
But I want to keep staying talking.
00:31:22
I want to keep giving you both sides.
00:31:24
Yes, tonight I'm always going to give you a little bit of an
00:31:27
opinion here or there. And this is an opinion that I
00:31:29
established about the protests after reading and researching
00:31:32
and watching videos and hearing other people talk and listening
00:31:36
to my Muslim friends and listening to American friends
00:31:40
who don't have any tolerance for it.
00:31:44
And I've given you reasons that both sides have issues.
00:31:48
And all I ask with any topic is that you take that and you think
00:31:52
about it. And if you still come up with
00:31:54
with the notion that, you know what, Ryan's full of shit,
00:31:57
there's no excuse for deportation.
00:32:00
If somebody's over here on a visa, that's fine.
00:32:04
At least you listened. At least you understood that my
00:32:06
point of view may not be the same, and that's all I'll say.
00:32:09
So again, lastly, one more reminder, protest and justice
00:32:13
all you want. Use your freedom of speech.
00:32:15
I'm not here to take that from you.
00:32:17
In fact, a lot of people who align with the current
00:32:21
administration have been fighting their free speech ever
00:32:26
since Donald Trump came down that elevator, excuse me, came
00:32:29
down that escalator so many years back announcing that he
00:32:33
was going to run for president. But you don't have to cosplay as
00:32:38
a Hamas spokesperson. You don't have to align with
00:32:41
them. You can say I do not support
00:32:43
Hamas, but I also don't support the injustice happening to the
00:32:46
civilians. So try and do it that way and
00:32:51
we'll move forward together and talk about it.
00:32:53
Like I said, if you have anything to say, say it to me
00:32:57
and and maybe we'll get you on. But like and subscribe to all
00:33:01
those things. Every single thing you do helps,
00:33:05
and like I said, I don't know exactly the direction the show's
00:33:07
going. I'm all over the place and I
00:33:09
like it that way. I'm going to talk about
00:33:11
everything and anything. I'm going to hopefully get Trey
00:33:13
back on here a little bit. I'm going to have some guests.
00:33:15
We're going to have a great time.
00:33:17
We're going to try and laugh a little bit and have some fun
00:33:21
during all this chaos. So until next time, I've got a
00:33:26
whole list of topics that we're going to hit.
00:33:29
So I hope you are ready for that and that you're doing well.