Attorney General Pam Bondi said the Epstein files were “sitting on her desk.” Months later, the DOJ says there’s no client list—none, never existed. Liberals are suddenly screaming “Trump’s a pedo,” MAGA is tearing itself apart over transparency, and 300GB of sealed government evidence is just sitting there.
Ryan breaks down:
🔥 Who Epstein really was and how the system let him walk
🔥 Why the “list” became a political weapon with zero proof
🔥 How both liberals and MAGA are failing at the transparency fight
🔥 Why patience is tough—but necessary—if we actually want justice
This is everything you need to know about the Epstein mess—served with facts, sarcasm, and zero spin.
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Time Codes ⏱️/ Topics: 00:00 Introduction and Epstein Files Speculation00:23 Pam Bondi's Claims and DOJ's Response02:39 Who Was Jeffrey Epstein?03:58 Ghislaine Maxwell and the Network05:30 Epstein's Death and Conspiracy Theories07:34 The Elusive Client List10:15 Trump's Involvement and Political Reactions13:31 MAGA's Internal Struggles16:52 Final Thoughts and Call for Transparency
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Everyone how we doing tonight? How are we feeling about this
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whole Epstein files mess talk about consuming the country.
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It's it's insane and nobody come at me because I know nothing.
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So I'm just speculating like everybody else.
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So let's get into it. Do you remember when Pam Bondi
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said this? The DOJ may be releasing the
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list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
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Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right
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now to review. That's been a directive by
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President Trump. I'm reviewing that.
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I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.
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That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was
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done at the directive of the president from all of these
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agencies. So, so have you seen anything
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there? You, you said.
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Oh my gosh. Not yet.
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OK, well, we'll check back with you.
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The problem with that was that she basically insinuated that
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she had a list. That stack of papers on her desk
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must have slipped into the same black hole as Epstein's security
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footage because now, months later, the DOJ and the FBI under
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President Trump are saying that there is no client list.
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None. Never existed.
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Now, I'm not saying Bondi made all that up, all this up that
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that just came out. But there are almost certainly
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files, I believe that probably mountains of them, but a clean
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little list that might have been something invented way earlier
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or way later, even back when Biden was in office, as we'll
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talk about. Better yet, and the people that
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were pulling Biden's strings, if they wanted to destroy Trump,
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all they had to do was say, here's the list.
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He's on it. But they didn't.
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Why? Maybe it's because it never
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existed. Now the very people who couldn't
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be bothered for four years are suddenly sprinting into traffic
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to scream Trump's a pedo. Really.
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Now you care? You had the keys, you had the
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files, you had the presidency. No, nothing for four years.
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Now that there's a narrative to milk, you're suddenly crusaders
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for just. I'm going to walk you through
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what's real, what's theatre, and what stinks.
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No Twitter meltdowns, no TikTok hysteria, just some facts pulled
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from the actual files served up with the sight of Sarkat.
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This is stay in the great podcast where nuance is not
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optional. It's July 23rd, 2025.
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Let's roll. So who is that Jeffrey Epstein?
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Let's rewind for the folks who have only heard the name Epstein
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and hashtags are half baked memes.
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Jeffrey Epstein was a billionaire financier, which is
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a rich guy code for nobody knows how he even made his money.
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He ran in elite circles, he hosted parties for presidents
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and Princess and somehow convinced half of Wall Street
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that he was legit behind the cashmere facade.
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He was a predator, a trafficker, a full on industrial scale
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pedophile operating under the protection of power.
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In 2008 he got hit with state charges for soliciting a minor.
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It wasn't for multiple minors or trafficking, just a slap on the
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wrist. His sentence?
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13 months in a cushy jail where he left during the day because
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hey, why ruin a rich man's golf schedule over a child rape
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charge, right? Fast forward, the real
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bombshells didn't even hit until 20/19 and the feds finally got
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off their asses and arrested him on federal sex trafficking
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charges. Then before the trial, he's dead
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in his cell. Rope broken, cameras, guards
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asleep. Just classic minimum security
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stuff. Now enter in Ghislaine Maxwell,
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Epstein's partner, recruiter, fixer, groomer, whatever you
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want to call it, whatever word you want to use still doesn't
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quite capture how evil this woman is.
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She helped lure in underage girls.
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She normalized the abuse. She kept things running while
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Epstein enjoyed the perks. Her trial.
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That's where we got the flight logs, the photos, the
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testimonies, the connections, presidents, celebrities,
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royalty, business moguls, you name it.
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Now, let me be clear. Not every name on those logs is
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guilty. Contrary to what you hear.
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Some people just happen to fly on a plane, but some were in
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fact flying to a private island nicknamed Lolita Express.
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You do the math. So why does this matter now?
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Because the files were not fully released.
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Because the justice system barely touched this network,
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because victims still haven't seen justice, and because
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suddenly we're all supposed to forget about it again.
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It's not happening. Nobody's forgetting about this.
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I'm on the side of let's focus on everything else.
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But this country has gone Epstein crazy.
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Now. If you think all that was bad,
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wait until you hear how the justice system wrapped this
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whole thing in a silk pillow and they let Epstein run off easy
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right before he mysteriously ended up dead in a cell.
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August 10th, 2019, Epstein is in federal custody at the
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Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan.
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He's awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges, this
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time, the real ones he's found dead in his cell.
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Cause of death, suicide by hanging.
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Except this, the two guards who were supposed to check on him
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every 30 minutes, both sleep, both of them.
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Their surveillance cameras outside his cell happened to
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malfunction that night. The logs from the night of his
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death were later revealed to be falsified.
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Nothing suspicious there. The official story is that he
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hung himself with a bed sheet. The unofficial, whispered,
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absolutely viral theory is that certain powerful people decided
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that Epstein talking was a bigger threat than Epstein
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dying. Now I'm not going to sit here
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and say who might have wanted him silenced, because I really
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don't know. Let's just say there were names
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in his black book that go way beyond creepy billionaires and
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disgraced Royals, CEOs, politicians, foreign heads of
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state, Hollywood, tech, people who don't like daylight.
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Here's the thing. He should have never made it
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that far. He never should have been
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allowed back out in 2008. That plea deal wasn't just soft,
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it was criminal. If prosecutors had done their
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jobs back then, how many victims might have been spared?
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How many more girls were were trafficked because Epstein was
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walking free? Plea deals were created to help
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overloaded courts, not to give pedophiles a get out of jail
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free card because their lawyer played golf with the prosecutor.
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We don't need reform on this. We need flamethrower to the
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whole set up. So let's get back to this list.
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Pam Bondi said in February on national television.
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I just played for you. But the Epstein files were
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sitting on her desk. Naturally, the Internet
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exploded. Everyone from MAGA to MSNBC to
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woke liberals assumed that meant a client list, names, crimes,
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flight logs, maybe even a group photo titled Annual Peto Picnic
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2003. Maybe a spreadsheet labeled who
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we trafficked and when Final draft.
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But files on a desk doesn't actually mean guilt in APDF.
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It could have been photos, depositions, flight logs with no
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context. There was never confirmation
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that Bondi or anyone had a clean cut list of names and crimes.
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That was assumed and it was wanted and maybe pushed a little
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harder than it should have been. What's even more infuriating,
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the DOJ and FBI now say flat out there is no list, Nothing
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official, nothing being prepped for lease.
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But buried inside those same statements is something wild.
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Over 300 gigabytes of sealed evidence tied to Epstein's
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operation still exists. You heard that 300 gigabytes.
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That's not one folder. That's servers.
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So what's in it? Well, no one's saying there's no
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timeline for release. There's no commitment to
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transparency on this, not even a vague breakdown.
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Could be chat logs, photos and transaction records.
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Could be garbage, Could be gold for the government to say
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there's nothing here while also sitting on that much sealed
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data. It's like telling us the
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kitchen's closed while we can smell the steaks grilling in the
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back. We don't need a list.
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We don't need the list. We just need access.
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We just need transparency. Let's be real, if there ever was
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a list with Trump's name on it, Biden's team would have dropped
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it like it was radioactive. They would have put it on a on a
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postal stamp and called it the Justice Forever collection.
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You think the DNC, after years of screaming about Russian pee
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tapes and democracy dying in darkness, would have sat on
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verifying Epstein client list? Please.
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They would have printed it on bumper stickers.
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So why didn't they? Well there are three options.
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One, the list didn't exist. 2, the list exists and Trump's not
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on it, and three, the list exists and too many powerful
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liberals are on it, so it's staying locked up in the vault
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next to Hillary's e-mail server and Hunter's deleted iCloud.
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Trump says the list itself may have been a setup cooked up by
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Biden's DOJ or someone further up in the puppet chain.
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Critics say he's deflecting, of course, but honestly I don't
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think that theory is crazy as some do.
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Not when we've watched the same institutions hide, redact,
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delay, and spin every piece of information with political
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value. So again, if it existed and
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Trump was on it, why didn't they leak it in 2021 or 2022 or
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before the midterms? The answer is either they
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couldn't, or they knew it would take down their side.
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Also. Hell, maybe it never existed at
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all. Whatever the truth is, the
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silence only makes it smell worse.
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So here we are. There are no client lists.
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That hasn't stopped the liberal pundits from calling Trump an
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actual literal pedo. They love to do that.
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They love to name call without any substance or evidence.
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Their logic is he must have been on the list, right?
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We just don't know for sure. But let's unpack it.
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There's no list. Bondi clarified.
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The DOJFBI confirmed it, yet the narrative rolled on.
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They have no proof. Number 20.
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Proof of speculation wrapped in outrage and hate and #3 This is
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hypocrisy at its finest. These same voices shrugged off
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Epstein and the possible list when power players were
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supposedly on those files from their side, and now they're all
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in on Trump. Let's take MSNB CS Joy Reid,
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she's been a returned guest on my They really said that
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Grievous Games episodes, She actually said the people are
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waiting for confirmation that Trump was on the list even
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though nobody saw a list. Or let's think about The
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Atlantic's Molly Ball, who mused that Trump was tainted because
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he knew Epstein but admitted there was 0 proof of anything.
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Meanwhile, the same folks who were radio silent when Epstein's
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black book showed celebrities, bankers, global elites, they're
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now shrieking pedo all because he told them there is no list.
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Trump's presidency is doing great things.
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I understand that there are many of you that pretend that that's
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not true. It is.
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Tariffs are working, jobs are up, wages are up, inflation is
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down, investments into the US from foreign countries, and
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trade deals Japan. Check that one out If you
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haven't looked already. That just happened yesterday.
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Everything's trending in his favor of immigration,
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deportations, safe safety, yet the Democrats are stuck trying
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to smear him with no evidence. It's a tired pattern.
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When your team hits rock bottom, you either fix policy or you
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point at fantasy scandals. Guess which path they chose and
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continue to choose. While MAGA and independents tune
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out the noise, the liberals are locked into pedo gate headlines
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and it's just another distraction from their failures.
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It's really pathetic. Now, just as the left is
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climbing over each other to call Trump a pedo, his own base is
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admittedly becoming strangely fractured.
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Some Trump supporters are demanding transparency.
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Others are steaming mad that he and Bondy shrugged off the whole
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thing from far right voices like Dan Bongino, Marjorie Taylor
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Green, Steve Bannon. They all demanded transparency
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from him. But then Trump called
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inquisitive supporters weaklings.
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Ouch. The same base that crucifies the
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media for fake news now gets dismissed by its own leader.
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A recent Politico analysis says there's a clear spit split in
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MAGA. Some demand proof and others
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sticking with Trump's hoax line, and it's creating a credibility
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fracture among what was once a solid block.
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Excuse me, CN NS Harry Anton even reported that while only 3%
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of Americans are satisfied with how much was released in the
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obscene case, 88% of Republicans still back Trump despite this.
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Yeah, within the MAGA sphere, many are upset.
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You can be upset and still back the president at the same time.
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They're not mutually exclusive. Prominent figures like Laura
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Loomer are blasting back, and Politico confirms that
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Republicans are split over Trump's handling of this,
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especially among those who are most conservative.
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But again, when he slammed folks demanding files as weaklings and
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called the Epstein uproar a hoax concocted by the Democrats no
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less, they didn't sit well with supporters who believed that
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transparency is a part of Trump's brand.
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Here's reality check time, though.
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Check this out. Winnipiac say that right?
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Polls show only 40% of Republicans approve of how Trump
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handled the Epstein files. That's no surprise. 36
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disapprove, 24% don't know. So either way could be a swing
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with those who don't know. But his overall GOP approval
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remains high at 88%. And that's CNNSSRS and 89% in
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Quinnipiac. I've seen it at 9091%.
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Other sources as well. So that means the base is still
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loyal. But there's a crack in that
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foundation and one that should be caulked ASAP.
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So what do we make of this? This isn't a sideshow.
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MAGA support is built on unity and unwavering trust in Trump,
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delivering transparency in action.
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That's what he does when he berates his own base and
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retreats. He's not just losing applause.
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He's weakening the foundation of the movement.
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Yes, despite outrage over Epstein, Trump's broad approval
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numbers haven't budged. But griping Republicans could
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bleed into apathy or third party hangs.
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That's dangerous. And that sets us up for one
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final truth check before we wrap.
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Let's knock out two quick topics that the media keeps spinning
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circles around. First, this idea that Trump's in
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photos with Epstein, so he must be guilty.
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Proximity does not equal guilt. Yes, there are photos.
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Yes, they were in the same social circles at times.
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But that doesn't prove involvement in anything
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criminal. You could be standing next to a
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predator at a fundraiser and not know what they do behind closed
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doors. And if we're going to start
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throwing guilt by association around, then half of Hollywood,
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Wall Street and Capitol Hill bet a lawyer up.
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Do optics matter? Of course they do.
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Repeated connections, private flights, shared events.
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They raise eyebrows for sure, but eyebrows do not equal
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evidence. Finally, this just happened.
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The Roy Black situation that we all heard.
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He's the lawyer who negotiated Epstein's original 2008 plea
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deal. Great job.
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The one that basically let him walk with daily work release
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after trafficking minors. Well this guy just died at 80
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after a long illness. And of course some corners of
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MAGA lit up. I'll admit immediately I was
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starting to think it's a cover up.
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Another one is silenced. I think we should cool that.
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Cut that, boys. I had to wipe my mouth.
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We need to cool it. I'm not defending this guy's
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legacy at all, but let's not pretend the man got off because
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he sneezed too close to the truth.
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He was 80, a defense lawyer, and dying.
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There are real things to question in this case.
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This. I don't think it's one of them,
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but hey, who am I? I've been wrong before.
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So what are we left with? No list, no closure, just 300
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gigs of sealed government data and a bipartisan game of wasn't
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me. Bondy's walking it back, the DOJ
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is acting like it never existed, Trump's calling his own
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supporters weaklings, and liberals who swore there was no
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list under Biden are now drooling but the chance to use
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the imaginary list as a political weapon.
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It's a circus with no ringmaster, just finger
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pointing, memory loss, and a whole lot of sealed folders.
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Meanwhile, the public's stuck in the same place we've always
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been, wondering if the truth will ever come out, wondering
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who's being protected, and wondering if the people
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screaming the loudest even want justice or just attention.
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Here's the reality. We don't need hysteria, we just
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need answers. Being patient isn't weak, It's
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hard, it's frustrating, it's madding, evil.
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But sometimes patience is the only weapon you've got when
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people in charge are betting you'll forget.
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Cause Epstein's secrets did not die with him, I don't believe.
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And they sure as hell didn't die with Roy Black.
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They're sitting on government servers behind legal red tape
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and God knows what kind of non disclosure agreements and we're
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just supposed to move on. That doesn't seem to be
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happening in this country. We just want transparency, I
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think not another trust us, we want truth.
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We don't want TikTok theories. We want justice.
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And even if it makes every party, every billionaire, every
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legacy media figure clinch, that's it.
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I hope this caught you up if you didn't quite know what all this
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was about. I mean, everybody knows that
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Epstein is not a good dude and knows there was sex trafficking
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in children and all, and all these things involved.
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But if you didn't know some of the details, hopefully that's
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enough for you to follow the story and demand accountability.
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Nobody with a soul or a heart wants to see children hurt and
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this man and anybody involved needs to be held accountable.
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So thanks for listening. I hope it caught you up on the
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Epstein mess. It's really all you need to know
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and it was wrapped in a little 20 minute bow.
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So stay focused, stay questioning, stay patient, live
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your life, stay in the grave. Love you guys.