Should Billionaires Exist? Capitalism’s Heroes or Society’s Villains?
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Should Billionaires Exist? Capitalism’s Heroes or Society’s Villains?

Should billionaires even exist? Elon Musk, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates...some say they’re proof capitalism works—visionaries who build, invent, and employ. Others see them as a moral failure, hoarding wealth while society struggles.

🔥 In this episode:
– Do billionaires really create anything?
– Moral outrage vs. plain old jealousy
– $500M yachts, private islands, and why it makes people mad
– What cavemen economics can teach us about wealth
– Why taxing billionaires into oblivion always backfires
– And… why your anger might be aimed in the wrong direction


💭 Should billionaires exist—or are we just mad we’re not one?

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⏱️ Chapters:
00:00 – Introduction: Should Billionaires Exist?
00:19 – Billionaires and Job Creation
00:33 – Philanthropy and Wealth Distribution
01:17 – The Moral Debate on Wealth
02:20 – Global Distribution of Billionaires
03:11 – Self-Made vs. Inherited Wealth
03:38 – Criticism from the Bleachers
04:55 – The Government vs. The Billionaire Class
07:30 – Why Wealth Triggers People
09:17 – Taxing the Titans: Does It Work?
10:39 – Yacht Logic: The Excess and the Anger
14:29 – Conclusion: The Gray Truth About Billionaires



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Should billionaires exist like Jeff Bezos?

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His net worth surged by billions during the pandemic.

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Billionaires create jobs. That's my big one.

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Elon Musk, for example, employs over 127 people worldwide.

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Bill Gates built Microsoft, creating an entire tech

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ecosystem that employs millions indirectly.

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Look at Warren Buffett, he's donated over 50 billion to

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charitable cases so far and has pledged 99% of his wealth to

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philanthropy before he dies. Alwaleed bin Talal of Salvia,

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Saudi Arabia. He owns over 700 cars including

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multiple Rolls Voices, Ferraris and Lamborghinis.

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The man's garage is worth more than some countries GDP.

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About Larry Ellison, the Oracle founder, He bought a 98% of

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Lanai, which is a Hawaiian island, for $300 million.

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Let's end world hunger. It costs estimated 40 billion

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per year, which is less than .5% of combined billionaire wealth.

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Hey guys, here's a good one for today.

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Should billionaires exist? Some argue that they're the

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ultimate proof of capitalism's success.

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Innovations, job creations, visionaries.

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Others say their existence is a moral failure of the system.

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So I want to unpack some of the numbers, the psychology and

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ethics behind the billionaires and why their existence makes so

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many of you so furious. Let's be honest, a lot of that

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fury might just be straight up envy.

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When people see billionaires on yachts and flying private jets

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or living without ever worrying about a electric bill or car

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payment, it stings. It's the harsh reminder that

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someone out there will always have what you want, and for some

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people, that's unforgivable. This is Stan the Great podcast.

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It's July 9th, 2025. Let's roll.

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So as of 2024, there are about 2640 billionaires globally.

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According to Forbes, the US leads with over 700

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billionaires, followed by China. Why?

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Because billionaires don't magically appear out of thin

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air. They thrive in massive countries

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with massive consumer markets, strong private property

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protections and robust tech finance sectors.

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Here's a fact. Top five industries producing

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billionaires Finance and investments, Technology,

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manufacturing, fashion and retail, and healthcare.

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Translation. It's the people who create

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scalable solutions, tech or capital systems that society

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uses every day. Let's be honest again, most

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billionaires don't inherit their wealth.

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That's some sort of farce. According to the 2023

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Billionaire Census by Wealth X, over 70% are self-made building

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their wealth through business ownership, investments and

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innovation. It's the same opportunity

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structure credits love to use when they say the rich should

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just pay for everything. So here's the argument against

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billionaires. The core argument here is that

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no individual can ethically earn a billion dollars.

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Critics claim that amassing wealth at this scale requires

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systemic exploitation of some sort.

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So is it true? Oxfam reported that the richest

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1% captured almost 2/3 of all new wealth created since 2020.

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That's nearly twice as much as the bottom 99% combined.

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Well, then you have someone like Jeff Bezos.

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His net worth surged by billions during the pandemic.

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Well, many of his Amazon workers were dealing with harsh

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conditions, limited benefits. But here's the kicker.

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Amazon was delivering groceries, medicines and emergency supplies

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to millions stuck at home. So pick your poison.

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You get no Bezos and no Amazon or Bezos and two hour Prime

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delivery so you don't eat canned beans for six months.

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Critics are you. Billionaires could fix the

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world. For example, let's end world

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hunger. It costs estimated 40 billion

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per year, which is less than .5% of combined billionaire wealth.

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Why is it their responsibility? Why not the government who

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spends approximately 50 billion annually just to maintain empty

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government buildings? About 800 teaching mountain

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lions to walk on treadmills. And how about 1 to

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create an online video game about climate change?

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My favorite 3 million to get hamsters drunk and watch them

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fight. That's studying male aggression

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in rodents. So if the governments weren't

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too busy funding treadmill workouts for big cats, designing

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eco friendly FarmVille knockoffs, getting hamsters

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bombed, and buying $2000 office chairs for these empty

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buildings, they'd have some spare change for global hunger.

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But no, let's blame the wealthy citizens for succeeding.

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Hard truth. A lot of this is jealousy.

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Everyone screaming abolish billionaires would shut their

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mouth really quick if they woke up worth a billion dollars.

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Suddenly socialism isn't so sexy when it's your yacht on the

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chopping block. So here's the case for the

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billionaires. Billionaires create jobs.

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That's my big one. Elon Musk for example, employs

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over 127 people worldwide. Bill Gates built Microsoft,

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creating an entire tech ecosystem that employs millions

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indirectly. I've heard of Microsoft.

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I think most people probably use something of theirs.

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Billionaires also take risks that no one else will.

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What about SpaceX, Tesla, private sector vaccines, quantum

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computing? These aren't born from everybody

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earning the same wage. Without incentives, we'd all

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just clock in, clock out to produce the bare minimum to not

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get fired. Motivation matters.

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And then there's philanthropy. The Gates Foundation has spent

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over $60 billion on health and education worldwide.

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Look at Warren Buffett. He's donated over 50 billion to

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charitable cases so far and has pledged 99% of his wealth to

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philanthropy before he dies, focusing on education, poverty

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alleviation, and Women's Health. Critics argue that this is a

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reputation management or that decisions about aid shouldn't

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arrest with unelected billionaires.

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OK, fair. But let me ask, would you prefer

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Buffett hoard every penny or do what he's actually doing and

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funnel billions back into society?

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I didn't think so. Talk about the psychological

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perspective here. So why do people froth the mouth

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over billionaires? Besides the envy that we just

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spoke about, I've never seen people get so riled up over

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success of other people. Here's some basic historical

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research from yours truly as to why humans evolved in small

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tribal groups with relatively equal resource sharing.

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Extreme inequality. It triggers our fairness

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instincts and it makes us angry. Think about it.

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Back in caveman days, if Grog killed a mammoth, the tribe

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feasted. Nobody said, hey Grog you killed

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that mammoth so now you have to give me your spear, your cave,

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and your wife because it's unfair you have so much meat.

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No, they all just ate the mammoth together.

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Thank Grog for not dying and they moved on with their lives.

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UC Berkeley research found that people with extreme wealth tend

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to show less empathy and higher entitlement.

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First off, OK, that's their prerogative.

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We don't have to like it. But let's be real.

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How do you how do you study empathy objectively?

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It's not like you can have an MRI scan.

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Somebody's compassion. Social media also fuels the

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rage. Every yacht photo, private jet

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selfie and Monaco dinner highlights what you don't have.

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But here's a truth bomb again. Most are advertisers showing off

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to sell something or to motivate more people to want more with

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their lives so that they can come by those yachts or rent

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them or whatever the case may be.

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The response to these pictures is up to you.

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OK, here's some realities. Let's talk about tax.

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Some say tax them out of existence.

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Scandinavian countries have progressive taxes, yet they

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still have billionaires like IKEA's founder Anwar Kamprad.

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Sure, that was perfect pronunciation, but let's do a

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quick compare. Scandinavia, at least these

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three, Sweden, Norway and Denmark combined, have 40

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billionaires. United States alone, as I

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mentioned, 700 billionaires. Scandinavian countries focus on

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equitable wealth distribution and strong social safety Nets.

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Let's be honest, who drives innovation there?

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Is Norway producing the next Google, SpaceX or iPhone?

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No, they thrive with oil wealth and the redistribution overall,

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but they rely on global tech leaders like the United States.

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Abolishing billionaires might satisfy moral outrage, but it

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risks killing high risk innovation and job creation.

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Period. Plus, in the US, private

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property is foundational. Our Constitution protects your

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right to earn, build, and own without government seizure.

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Just cause your neighbor wants more cash.

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Let's talk about billionaire outliers real quick.

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These are the ones who fire everybody up.

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They're the ones that buy things that are so insane it almost

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sounds fake. So I'm aware.

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Take Prince I'll let's see if I can do this.

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Alwaleed bin Talal of Salvia, Saudi Arabia.

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He owns over 700 cars including multiple Rolls Voices, Ferraris

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and Lamborghinis. The man's garage is worth more

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than some countries GDP. About Larry Ellison, the Oracle

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founder he bought a 98% of lanai, which is a Hawaiian

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island for $300 million Yep, just bought an entire island

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because why not. Mukesh Ambani, India's richest

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man, his Mumbai residence and Tillia is a 27 story skyscraper

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mansion with three helipads and a snow room which is sounds

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badass. What could possibly define

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luxury better than a $2 billion mansion towering 174 meters

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above Mumbai Antillia? This 27 story marvel combines

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breathtaking architecture with cutting edge engineering with

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its garage for 168 cars, 3 helipads.

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That replicates snowfall in tropical Mumbai and a staff of

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600 to maintain this place. I'll get to that in a minute.

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Back to Bezos. Jeff owns a $500 million mega

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yacht. So big it needed a historic

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bridge in the Netherlands, temporarily dismantled in order

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to let it pass. The yacht has its own support

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yacht with the helipad as well. Do they need all that?

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Probably not. But here's the thing, Who are

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you? Who am I to tell them what to

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buy with their own money? Those purchases create jobs,

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they stimulate industries, and they inject cash into to

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economies. The guy who built Ambani's

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badass snow room feeds his kids tonight because of that

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billionaire's absurd desire. How many jobs went into building

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Bezos's yacht or any other yachts?

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How about all the cars? You get the point.

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You got to get me a snow room in the tropics.

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That sounds awesome. Let's let's continue on with

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taxes. A lot of people argue that

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billionaires should be taxed into oblivion.

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Here's what happens when governments go full Robin Hood.

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I'll give you an example. France's wealth tax caused an

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exodus of the rich. Over 42 millionaires left

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France between 2000 and 2014, highest outflow globally by far.

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Billionaires and millionaires took their businesses, their

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jobs and their investments elsewhere.

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The net result? Less tax revenue, not more

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money, doesn't tolerate being stolen.

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It's like water, It flows to where it's treated the best.

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If you punish success harshly enough, it simply packs up and

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finds a new home. That's why countries like

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Singapore, the United Arab Emirates and Switzerland attract

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global wealth. They create environments that

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reward innovation and enterprise, not punish it.

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So here's the great truth as we wrap up Billionaires aren't

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villains nor heroes. Their existence reflects

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capitalism's incentives, some tax loopholes, and market

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dynamics. The real question for many in

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the opposition of billionaires should be Is it possible to

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design systems that foster innovation without letting

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inequality destabilize society? But let's not pretend that envy

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will just disappear with a simple policy change.

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Humans will always find somebody richer, prettier, or smarter to

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resent. That's a you problem, not a

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billionaire problem. So should billionaires exist?

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That's the question for the show.

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Or is it the real issue, this system that that creates them?

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So I'd like you to drop your thoughts.

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This is a good Gray topic, which is what I'm trying to to bring

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up. So in any of the comment

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sections, throw me what your thoughts are just even if you

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want to say, you know, screw the billionaires or you're

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absolutely right. Billionaires boost the economy.

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Give me a nice like subscribe, follow all the things that help

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me grow, share it with someone who who has opinions on this,

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who loves billionaires, who is a billionaire or somebody who

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really does hate billionaires and think strongly about it.

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In my opinion, everybody needs to focus on building their own

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life instead of chastising others for theirs.

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So say thinking, stay laughing, please stay with me, stay in the

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grave.