Inside Israel: A Firsthand Account of the Hamas War from an Israeli Woman
Stay in the Fray PodcastNovember 14, 2023x
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Inside Israel: A Firsthand Account of the Hamas War from an Israeli Woman

In one of Stay in the Gray’s most powerful episodes yet, Ryan and Trey are joined by “M,” an Israeli woman who shares her firsthand experience and emotional insight into the Israel–Hamas war following the October 7th attacks.

From the geography of Gaza and what Hamas really is, to the impact on children, Zionism, U.S. protests, and media bias—this episode goes beyond the headlines. “M” offers a deeply personal and nuanced perspective that cuts through the noise and explains why this conflict is so misunderstood by many in the West.

🎧 Topics Covered:

  • What happened on October 7 and how it changed everything

  • A breakdown of Hamas’s role and support from within Palestine

  • The U.S. political response, international protests, and social media bias

  • Explaining Zionism, U.S. aid, and why Jerusalem is at the center

  • The psychological toll on children in war zones

  • Why “M” chose to remain off-camera—and how this conflict hits home


📌 Chapters (Condensed):
00:00 – Trey’s Aches & Episode Introduction
01:22 – The Events of October 7th & Gaza’s Geography
16:35 – Responding to Common Palestinian Claims
21:02 – Who Is Hamas & Internal Palestinian Opposition
24:10 – Children in Conflict & Why “M” Is Off-Camera
29:25 – Hamas’s Goals & U.S. Aid to Palestinians
33:46 – “M’s” Background & Personal History
40:35 – Has the Conflict Become Politicized in the U.S.?
44:58 – What Is Zionism? Why Is Jerusalem So Contested?
48:20 – “M” Responds to U.S. Campus Protests
1:06:10 – Bias in Media & Social Platforms
1:15:10 – Impact on Children & Final Reflections


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Hey everyone. Hey, Trey.

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Hey Sir, I know you don't like when I address everyone first,

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but I did it tonight anyway, so I apologize.

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No worries. How are you?

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Good Sir. How are you?

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I'm great. Did you have a good weekend?

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It was long and I you look like your your your neck looks like

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it's off. I'm hurting, but yeah.

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Did you do some karate? We had a tournament and Needless

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to say I didn't do very well, but I'm still here.

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Was it some of that flava Magasasa stuff that.

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No. The Taekwondo.

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Taekwondo. Yeah, but you're alive.

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You're back. And we're here ready to have a

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doing a show. Have a good show.

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Well, we're gonna get right to it tonight in shift gears.

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In fact, I'm gonna show you what I mean by turning the music down

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already. We have a guest with us tonight,

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and I'm very honored to have her here.

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I'm very appreciative to have her here.

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It's a it's a topic we're gonna talk about.

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A topic that's been in the news, if you want to call it that, in

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this country, but more importantly overseas.

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Trey, you know what that is. Or are you?

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Are you with me? Googling.

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Hold on, go ahead And and I I feel like I've said it before,

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Trey and myself, we do this show and we do it from a perspective.

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Now that you can see us, it's pretty obvious it's you know a

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couple of middle-aged white dudes that Antoine, what did he

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call us? A mayonnaise?

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No something Mayo but but he calls a lot of stuff but but

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whatever. And and we do the show from that

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perspective but we want to learn.

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We want to have other people on. We want to hear perspectives

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from people who have experience. People who have lived it.

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People who have true emotions that can go beyond anything Trey

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or I can ever imagine. And so tonight we have a special

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guest and and we're gonna call her M That's her name.

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And Em, how are you? Good.

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How are you? We're we're I'm good.

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I I love what we do. I I love this this quote UN

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quote job if you will. Thank you for being here.

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I'm gonna jump right into this. And this is about Trey.

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In case we. I haven't said it yet.

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It's about the the continuous conflict between Israel and the

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Palestinians and the group Hamas that has taken this country by

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storm as well here in the United States.

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And so I'm going to let Em kind of go off here and and tell us

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her thoughts a little bit about who she is, her her feelings and

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emotions When the event happened, which I believe was

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October the 7th, that started this new amount of friction and

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and I'm gonna kind of let her talk.

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And anybody that knows the show knows that as you're seeing

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right now, it's really hard for me to stop talking.

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So I'm gonna do that right now and M tell me about the event,

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tell me about what happened and and what we'll go from there.

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So it was a very we call it the Black Sabbath, Israel.

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Never, ever had anything. The Jewish people never ever had

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anything like this. It was during the night for us

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over here, and it was 630 AM over there in Israel.

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People were partying in a peace festival in the South of Israel

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that's called Nova. Young people, older people,

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everybody was having so much fun, peaceful.

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Lots of soldiers, lots of young people.

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In this a festival with people from all over the world too, not

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just. Yes, a lot of people come from

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all over the world. I didn't know that.

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I thought it was all. A lot of Israelis, but a lot of

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people from all over the world. They just come.

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It's a fun weekend, starts on Thursday and it ends up.

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It peaks on Saturday at sunrise and then it starts at midnight.

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Friday night and then it peaks on Saturday morning as along

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with sunrise all night and. Cool all night and it goes on

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and on in the morning and during the day it was in the, it's

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right there in the forest. It's it's a beautiful area with

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all the trees, peaceful people, young people who came to have

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fun, a lot of fun. While they're having fun and the

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music is going on and popping, all of a sudden they are.

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People shooting at them. People started picking up,

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trying to run away. The more they ran away, they

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were more they were attacked, their missiles flying on the

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over the air above them, people flying with the parachutes, over

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with the gliders over them and there were attacks all over.

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Apparently the Hamas broke up, broke down the fence with.

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Tractors and then bombarded Israel.

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Thousands of terrorists drove into Israel in trucks that were

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numbered and they knew exactly where they were going, to

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houses. They had the plans of who lives

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where and they went to. The first thing they went to was

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to the festival to to kill all those people.

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Most of the people did not make it out.

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Many of them were kidnapped. There's footage of them being

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kidnapped and then being shown in Gaza after the women were

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raped with bloody pants bitching.

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Sorry, it's really hard for me to talk about it.

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Let me ask you this, I don't mean to interrupt your time.

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Why was this festival such a? Was it a strategic hit?

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Why? Why did they decide to pick that

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festival? Is that something that's near

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and dear? Was it the Israel?

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The amount of people? The amount of people that were

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there or was it a distraction to hit something else?

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So this was the beginning. I'm not sure if it.

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I'm not sure if this was the first spot they attacked because

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they attacked a lot of places at the same time on that day.

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Gotcha on that day at the same time.

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They burst the fence, they broke down the fence, ruined it with

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tractors. It's a big fence, it's concrete,

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It's not. And and they went to the

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festival, they went to the base and they killed all the soldiers

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in that base. They bombarded it as well with

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trucks and killed all the soldiers, all the girls, all

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day, young people over there. There were 1819 year olds, very

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young kids. They're kids.

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They're college kids over here. They're kids.

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They just came in. They killed them.

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I saw even younger I saw toddlers and babies.

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Am I wrong about? That, yeah, that's in the base,

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in the base. OK.

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From there, along as they went there, there were some of the

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trucks were headed to the city. There's a city, it's called

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Sderot. It's 6 kilometers from the from

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the fence. And they drove with trucks.

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To the city and just rifling and killing people, kids, any cars

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that they were driving around, they were just killing people,

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getting off the trucks, on the trucks.

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Along with that, they went to the kibbutz scene where the

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biggest hit they went to houses. People were still asleep.

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It was 6:30 in the morning. Families were asleep.

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Babies were asleep in their beds.

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They barged into houses and they shot the kids.

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They shot the kids over there. They burned down houses with

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families all together in bed. And all those families, they

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have a shelter, they have a room shelter that they go inside and

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they lock themselves up if something like this happens.

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And they locked themselves up, but they still barged in.

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Then they put grenades into those houses and they shot the

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kids. And they they they kidnapped a

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lot of them. They knew exactly who lives, who

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lives where, how many families, how many family members in each

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house, How old were the kids? Who has a dog?

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Who doesn't have a dog? They found the Israeli idea.

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The idea found that although that planning.

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And then afterwards, they were they kidnapped women, they

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pregnant women, they cut open their bellies.

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They took out their while they were alive, they could took out

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their babies and they beheaded the babies run in front of those

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moms and then they killed their moms.

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And then afterwards, they they killed, they cut off babe like

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the little kids in front of their parents.

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They cut off arms and legs in front of the parents.

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And they they killed those with their parents as well.

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They kidnapped 239 hostages from the kibbutzim from the party.

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From from all around over there, is that the number now, 239?

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239 currently. 30 of them are babies, the youngest is 10

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months old and they're there in the tunnels for 36 days now.

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We do not know anything about them.

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Now you you said that they they can't.

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They knew. As far as how many family

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members and stuff like that are these, were these attacks on

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like political figures in Israel or was it just strictly trying?

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To do as much damage as possible.

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They were trying. Their aim was Kill the Jews,

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Just anybody, anybody. Kill the Jews.

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Kill the Jews. They it's they massacred.

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They butchered kids. They butchered families.

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They butchered. They slaughtered them.

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It was not just about the killing.

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It was the they butchered. They raped them and then they

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killed them and they raped them dead.

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Well, there's and there's video and and whatever of of these

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hostages being dragged literally dragged back across and again

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forgive my ignorance. The you you said it.

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I think you you called it the fence.

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Can you explain what the fence is to people like me who don't

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know? So is that the just the border?

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So yeah, Gaza is bordered. There's the the fence.

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There's there's one fence on the side of Israel.

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I think it's about 200 meters. I don't know the the feet.

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There is a big fence and it's made out of concrete.

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And it's to protect. And that fence is all along the

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Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip starts from the

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north, and it borders, and it borders from the.

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It's about 270 miles or kilometers and it's about and

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it's not very wide. And there's an the West side and

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the West side is, excuse me, interrupt, West side is water,

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the the West side is. The West side is the

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Mediterranean. OK, so it's the three other

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sides. OK, there are three passages

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from Gaza, inside and out. There is the north one, which

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they can have. There's a passage for them to

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leave out and come back. Now, obviously, it's done and

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there's one and the West. On the east side of Gaza, and

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there's one Rafia passage, which now we see a lot of the news of

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Gazans leaving to Egypt. That's their open passage and

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the fence is all around it to just divide it to make the

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division that they wanted. OK, so if you don't mind me

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asking, the Palestinian argument here is that they're actually

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being forced to stay inside the fence.

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What? How would you respond to that?

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That that fence is not. They cannot go and come and go

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as they please that this is now. They're being forced to and and

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being brutally treated. They wanted that fence.

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They wanted to, so they wanted that fence.

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They wanted. Their territory I.

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Was gonna ask is there anything that happened that that they

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could say led to this or was this a completely surprise

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attack? Was there something they felt,

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OK, we need to do this now to show Israel my understanding is

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serious, completely random. It was completely Was there any

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military intelligence after the fact that maybe they were?

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So let me go back a little bit, you all know.

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And I'm not sure that you all know about the four time

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elections that were happening in Israel.

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The government in Israel was not very still is not was not very.

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What's the word for it? Bibi, Binyamin Netanyahu was

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elected and then there was another one elected and the the

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government was not stable and we knew that the other war like

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countries. Are looking for a point that

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they can attack where Israel is not stable and is not ready.

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On that day, they had info at 4:00 AM They had info that

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something is going to happen. But that was too late because

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the attack started at 6:30. Yeah.

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Four, yeah. Four in the morning is not going

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to end. Yeah.

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And and forgive me, which it was the north, the north area of the

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of the strip where they came across or was it the east?

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No, it was it was the middle of the East and then they the

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middle of the East, OK. Yeah, they they barged out of

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the out of the fence and they went to the north Part of the

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kibbutzim and Nova Festival was over there and they went to the

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northern kibbutzim, to Beiri and to Neroz and kibbutz.

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Aza was burnt to the ground. People were killed, everybody

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was burnt, families were burnt in their beds, the babies were

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burnt. I'm going to ask you a tough

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question. And the question that I'm going

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to ask is, again, from the Palestinian perspective, I

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can't. I I, I'm, I'm trying to wrap my

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head around it personally and I can't ever imagine there being a

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justification for for those events.

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The Palestinian perspective is our people have been treated

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this way for years and years and years, tenfold.

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So this was just retaliation for that.

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How do you, how does somebody respond to something like that?

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I just can't imagine that the whole idea of you know you did

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this, so we're going to do it. It applies here. 2 wrongs.

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I know it sounds silly, but two wrongs don't make a right and

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this is just something that I can't justify.

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There is no excuse for what they did.

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Nothing, never ever. Something like this happened in

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in any wars that happened, any word world that had happened in

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the past. Nothing in the Holocaust.

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We were raped. Slaughtered.

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Babies were cut off. It doesn't make nothing.

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Never. It has never happened like that.

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So the Palestinian people have, I'm just, I'm just asking, have

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not been treated in a similar way at some point.

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Have their babies been that. That's the argument.

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That's what I'm getting from the other side is our children have

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been, this has happened or they've been, you know, killing

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innocent civilians from our side too.

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So I from somebody that's completely ignorant to the

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subject, I'm hearing each side saying the same thing and so

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it's hard for us. Yeah, So the Israeli I, I and

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we've been hearing that also you have to remember that Hamas uses

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civilians as human shield. We will never do that.

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The IDF will never do that. The IDF actually is holding and

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waiting. Hamas is is their commanding

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office, Office offices are underneath the Hospital of Shifa

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Hospital in Gaza. And we are waiting, We are

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actually providing today, we are waiting to give them fuel for

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the NICU and Israel has offered the NICU department to help them

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move out, the babies out. And they offered them fuel, but

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Hamas is not letting the hospital agree to take on that

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fuel. We are trying to evacuate this

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hospital so we can treat Hamas officer offices underground

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underneath the hospital, the idea found about. 300 miles of

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tunnels underneath the Gaza. I heard about this, yeah.

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And they're hiding all the kids, all the hostages, all the Hamas

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terrorists. Is that?

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No, that's. Where they are, that's I I don't

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know. We don't know where they're

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hostages, but you assume? But they they they got one out

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from one of the Piers. We don't know where they are.

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We assume that they're there. Most of the Hamas, most of the

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Hamas leaders are not in Gaza. They're in Qatar living their

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million dollar life billion. They're billionaires, Hamas

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leaders, they live in Qatar. They have beautiful homes, great

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cars and they're using civilians in Gaza as human shield.

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They're not letting them go. They're barricading the passages

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that the IDF is making through for civilians to leave Gaza so

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they can go to Egypt and be in the refugee camps over there.

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But Hamas is blocking it with trucks and actually shooting

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people. They're trying to leave the

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hospital. They're shooting them, not

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letting them leave the hospital. We jumped right in and that's

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kind of what we wanted to do because that's what we do here.

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But I I want can you I have an idea and and and Americans now

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think they have an idea. Can you just give me a quick

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summary of of who and what Hamas is.

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I know that sounds so basic, but just their ideology.

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And when they were established, I mean, it doesn't have to be a

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long thing. I just for anybody listening

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that doesn't actually understand when you say Hamas is doing

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this, Hamas is doing that. There are people out there that

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yes, don't, don't actually know that.

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So can you do that real quick? I will begin with Hamas.

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Is ISIS? Is basically the ISIS of Hamas,

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is ISIS. They're a terrorist group and

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their main idea is free Palestine and from the river to

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the sea, which is the Jordan River, to the sea which is there

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is no land of Israel. And their main idea is to kill

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the Jewish people and erase Israel.

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Israel is a democratic, beautiful, smart country.

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Is it true that Hamas was elected?

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Hamas was elected in 2005 by the civilians in Gaza.

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Is there another side or is Hamas it There was another side.

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They were the they're leaders of the Palestinian authorities.

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They were killed and then Hamas was forced upon them, but they

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were elected wrongfully. And and of course, if you're

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elected and you're you're this type of a group, the the idea is

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that anybody that would oppose you would just be you know,

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taken out, taken slaughtered, right.

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So if somebody stepped up and said no, no, no, this isn't the

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way we're going to do things. Hamas would be like, well then

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we're gonna, we're you're you're we're gonna kill you and and

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that's, that's the my mind that that's what I'm getting as an

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American is Hamas is basically in control, complete control of

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the Palestinian side of things. Is that correct?

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Yes. OK, completely ground to the

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top, to the sea. They have no they have no

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opposition on the Palestinian side.

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They don't have a choice. Does the Palestinians.

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They do not have a choice, OK? That's what I wanted to know.

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And I and I and I appreciate that because again, it it, it

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seems so basic, but it's something that I think a lot of

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people just truly don't understand.

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What what did it? Why is everybody so upset at

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home? You know, people don't really

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get it as a somebody living in, you know, Central Texas or

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whatever. They just don't get it.

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And that's why I I appreciate you telling me that.

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I'm curious, are there people on the Palestinian side that are

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against? Lost themselves.

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That was my next good question. We are lately seeing videos.

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I think people are afraid over there.

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I'm not, I don't think, I'm sure they're afraid to say their

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honest opinion, just like in Iran right now.

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And a lot of people are resisting what's going on with

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the government. But they cannot say anything

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because they will be killed. Simply, they will be

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slaughtered. They'll be thrown of roofs.

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Well, and that that segues and one thing I will, I will say

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kind of in Jess here. Trey and I, we do segue pretty

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well in shows that segue right there tell tell if you don't

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mind tell our listeners why it is and I'm sure they can figure

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it out but some of them might not be able to be why you are

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uncomfortable with the camera on your face since October 7th and

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all the threatening that they're going on we.

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This, this main event that just happened.

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The the, the, the the war. Yeah, the war that the war

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started October seven when the war started.

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Israelis around the world are scared.

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We go to protest together. We stay together, but in our own

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home. I will.

00:25:02
We have all Israelis. We have a Mizzouza on our door

00:25:06
to keep us safe. It's a little ornament that's

00:25:11
outside our door and a doorpost and it has a prayer in it.

00:25:15
It's to show that this is it's a Jewish family who lives over

00:25:18
here. Is that all the time?

00:25:21
Is that year round? It's, it's it's on my doorpost.

00:25:25
Just all the time. Yes.

00:25:26
OK. Yes.

00:25:27
And it's on your all the bedroom doors as well.

00:25:32
I took it out. I never do that.

00:25:34
Sounds like a target. Then at that I feel like a

00:25:37
target. I feel like a target.

00:25:39
And I had a very strong conversation with my kids who

00:25:42
are teenagers in middle school and high school, and I explained

00:25:46
to them of what is happening because kids, they don't really

00:25:50
understand what's happening. And I also told them of what can

00:25:54
happen at school. Schools are not protected here

00:25:59
fully and you cannot know what's going on.

00:26:02
If a teenager goes to mosque and he's being brainwashed to kill

00:26:06
the Jewish people and everybody knows at my, my kids school that

00:26:11
they're Israelis and they berlingual and they speak both

00:26:14
and they go to Israel every year and I'm afraid for my kids, I'm

00:26:20
afraid for us. Everybody in the family I'm.

00:26:24
So sorry, I interrupt again. How I'm so intrigued by the Now

00:26:29
that you bring up your kids, the the how much do you think that

00:26:32
at a high school level or a middle school level?

00:26:34
How much do you think this is actually being tossed around?

00:26:39
I mean, do you, do you think that there's a Palestinian kid

00:26:43
on the playground and a Jewish kid on the playground that are

00:26:45
like yelling at each other? Or do you think that there's a

00:26:47
little bit of a, we don't really know enough about this as a

00:26:51
child? Are you worried that it's

00:26:54
spreading into children? I am extremely worried.

00:26:57
And we know that this is happening.

00:26:59
We've been seeing the social media.

00:27:01
We've been seeing the news, how Palestinians are proud of their

00:27:07
kids who were exclaiming that we will kill the Jewish people and

00:27:10
they're rioting together. Kill the Jewish people, kids,

00:27:15
babies, You've grown into this. This is like the Holocaust

00:27:19
again. You tell kids that Jewish people

00:27:22
or should not be exist and it's OK to kill them, it's OK to

00:27:26
behead them. And God forbid we don't want

00:27:29
that. Never again.

00:27:31
This will never happen again and Israel will not retaliate this

00:27:35
time. We lived with Hamas since 2005.

00:27:40
We are not going to live with Hamas anymore.

00:27:43
We're going to clear it up and it's going to be a safe Gaza.

00:27:47
It's going to be a safe place for everybody to live.

00:27:49
You think that was the final kind of the final straw to say,

00:27:53
all right, enough, enough is enough and and now we're going

00:27:56
to take care of business. Yes.

00:27:57
They're like people kids in Israel are costume to leave in

00:28:02
sirens. They know if a siren goes on,

00:28:05
they go to a shelter quickly and they just hide, wait for 10

00:28:09
minutes and then they go, I'll tell you a story, a personal

00:28:12
story. I I teach one family over here

00:28:16
and they moved from Israel and the and the mom said the first

00:28:20
thing the kid went to look and the house is like where's the

00:28:23
shelter mom? Oh my goodness.

00:28:26
He's in 3rd grade and she told him there's no shelter over

00:28:30
here. And he goes, where?

00:28:31
What do I do? If there's a siren, he goes,

00:28:34
there are no sirens over here in the United States.

00:28:37
It's it's OK. It's safe over here.

00:28:38
And apparently nowadays it's not safe over here.

00:28:42
We are scared. We we will not put up with this

00:28:46
anymore. We are Jewish people.

00:28:49
We are strong. Our nation is strong.

00:28:52
It's beyond strong. Right now people are going back

00:28:57
to Israel to serve in the army. People who are way above their

00:29:03
age to go, they go serving the army doctors from all over the

00:29:08
world. They go to serve, they go to

00:29:10
help. We donate from here money,

00:29:15
equipment, everything they need to Israel to help them succeed

00:29:22
and make them stronger. And that's honestly is what is a

00:29:25
lot of Palestinian response to this is that's that they're like

00:29:30
well why are they why are they getting assistance from the

00:29:34
United States Why is it so pro Israel why is it so anti

00:29:38
Palestinian why is it. You know, that's the response

00:29:41
that I hear and it's and it's. Because we do.

00:29:44
I mean we as in the United States, we we we definitely

00:29:50
support Israel and we and we we definitely are gonna make sure

00:29:54
that. I mean I think Israel does just

00:29:56
fine on its own, honestly. But that we we help them with

00:29:59
weaponry and with with funding and things like that.

00:30:03
And so the Palestinians like, well, why are we, You know, and

00:30:06
that's part of the reason that I think there's such backlash from

00:30:09
that side is. Everybody hates us.

00:30:13
Why but Palestinian, I I gotta correct you.

00:30:17
OK. No, no.

00:30:18
And again, please, do Palestinians get a lot of money

00:30:21
from the US? Oh, I didn't know that.

00:30:24
Yes, the Gaza Strip, they get a lot of money from the US.

00:30:27
They get money from Israel, too. They get aid.

00:30:29
They get food. They get human.

00:30:31
Right now they're getting humanitarian aid as well.

00:30:34
Really. We let that happen.

00:30:36
We are helping them. See.

00:30:39
That's they. It's like they claim the

00:30:40
complete opposite of this. No, they get money from the US.

00:30:44
But instead of investing that money and flourishing and

00:30:46
growing and and education, educating their kids about how

00:30:51
to be good and how to flourish and how to make peace with each

00:30:58
other and do great things together, they just seed hatred

00:31:07
to all their kids, to all their families, to all over the world.

00:31:12
And there's no solution in that and this and Hamas needs to be

00:31:17
away erased. Here, here's the toughest

00:31:20
question of them all. What?

00:31:21
What? Do you have a solution besides

00:31:25
war? Or?

00:31:26
Or is that the only solution at this point which as an American?

00:31:29
That's sometimes what we believe at this point.

00:31:32
There's so many terrorists. Every day the IDF bombs tunnels

00:31:39
and there are more terrorists. Unfortunately, soldiers of the

00:31:43
IDF die as well and we lose a lot of soldiers.

00:31:47
We do not want to go into war. Israel did not want to go into

00:31:52
war. That's something no one wants.

00:31:54
Everybody loses at a war. But this time, Hamas needs to be

00:31:59
destroyed, erased from the earth, and Gaza needs to be

00:32:03
clean. And until the last series is

00:32:07
gone, Israel is not gonna stay put.

00:32:13
Go ahead, Trey. I was gonna, I was.

00:32:14
I'd be curious to know, with this movement, with this attack,

00:32:19
let's let's say, for instance, they do take over Israel.

00:32:23
Is that all they want? Or do they want more after?

00:32:26
That well they want their in my and this is.

00:32:28
This would be interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong, I would

00:32:30
not say it as an option. Yeah, this is my this is a big

00:32:33
no no. And this is my understanding.

00:32:35
Tell me if I'm wrong. My understanding is that from a

00:32:38
Hamas perspective, they they want all the land they're

00:32:43
unwilling to share. Again, from a Hamas perspective,

00:32:46
I'm trying to stay learning here that no Jew.

00:32:53
No. It's their land.

00:32:54
It's it's it's Palestinian land point blank.

00:32:59
The end. There's no negotiation.

00:33:01
There's no let's split the land. There's no let's discuss this in

00:33:07
as a in a diplomatic way. It's, it's.

00:33:10
Well, I think I asked. We asked.

00:33:11
We talked about this once before this Hamas they are they the.

00:33:17
Government, yeah. I asked that point.

00:33:19
Right now there are the government since 2005.

00:33:22
When I. Asked that and I wanted to

00:33:24
reinforce that. I just wanted to double check.

00:33:25
So they are the because I was going to ask, are they doing

00:33:27
this with Palestinian army backing or is this?

00:33:31
But they have. Again, there's no Palestinian

00:33:33
army. Gaza.

00:33:34
Gotcha. It's all it's like chaotic,

00:33:36
right? It's just basically there.

00:33:38
And if you go against them, you're going to be slaughtered.

00:33:41
Gotcha. Is that essentially what it is?

00:33:43
Yes, you cannot speak up. Right.

00:33:45
OK, let's talk about you. Let's talk about you.

00:33:47
Tell me about you and give me your history as much as you want

00:33:53
to show. I was born in Israel, live born

00:33:57
in Israel. When I was two, my parents

00:33:59
decided to go back to Iran. My parents are both Iranian.

00:34:03
Both of them OK, both of them Iranian.

00:34:05
My first language was the Farsi at home.

00:34:08
I speak to the. Trey's first language too.

00:34:11
Yeah. My parents moved back.

00:34:14
And then in 79, the Khomeini revolution happened.

00:34:19
And my dad is a Zionist. Zionists are people who believe

00:34:24
in Israel. The country is.

00:34:26
I was gonna ask you about Zionism.

00:34:28
OK, go ahead. Yeah, we moved back to Israel.

00:34:31
My family, my grandparents stayed there and my uncle left.

00:34:37
One of my uncles left to London. One of my my aunts left many

00:34:41
years ago and she lives in DC till this day.

00:34:44
And my grandparents stayed. We had a very nice home over

00:34:48
there in Iran and then with all the mess that was there,

00:34:54
everything was destroyed. With the revolution my

00:34:58
grandparents moved to Israel. They fled through the mountains

00:35:03
in Iran, then to Turkey, and then they flew to Israel in

00:35:08
1982. They sold their property with

00:35:11
great loss and but it was very dangerous.

00:35:15
I have one uncle who was caught while he was trying to flee from

00:35:19
the mountains as well, and he was beaten and held captive for

00:35:24
months until he was finally released through Turkey and then

00:35:27
he reunited with his family in New York.

00:35:31
Wow. We moved back to my parents,

00:35:35
moved back to Israel in 79, and we've been living there since

00:35:39
then. I got married in Israel.

00:35:43
I went to the army when I was 18.

00:35:45
I became a Lieutenant. And that's required in Israel,

00:35:48
correct? Yes.

00:35:49
And I was very happy to do so back then.

00:35:52
There were no fighting positions for women in the IDF,

00:35:56
unfortunately. I would have done that happily.

00:35:59
But it's it's a very pro people, people are are proud to serve.

00:36:03
It's not like they're annoyed that they have to serve.

00:36:06
They want to serve people. Everybody wants to serve in the

00:36:10
Army. It's to.

00:36:11
Yes, it builds you up and it's. 'Cause sadly, sadly, I would

00:36:17
argue that the United States, if that, if that was required that

00:36:20
I, I don't feel like it would be that I I feel like.

00:36:24
Don't you agree that that it would be there'd be a lot more

00:36:26
pushback? Oh, absolutely.

00:36:28
And that's sad. Yeah, yes, that's something that

00:36:30
it's a cultural thing and a lot of people cannot understand

00:36:33
that. And.

00:36:35
I wish we had that. We were talking about that.

00:36:38
Actually, I was talking to my boyfriend about that, that it's

00:36:42
people who are here in the United States and they're on

00:36:45
vacation and they just live over here and all of a sudden there's

00:36:50
a war in Israel. They buy tickets and they just

00:36:53
go and they just go and they serve in the in the army with to

00:36:58
help Israel because there's 11 country and the whole wide world

00:37:03
that is safe for the Jewish people to live in and that's

00:37:06
Israel otherwise we will be yeah we'll be in threat all over the

00:37:12
world. And that, and that's what I've

00:37:13
I've always had such a hard time.

00:37:15
I, you know, I've grown up. And again it's not about my

00:37:19
opinion but I I'm I'll offer a little bit here I I you know

00:37:22
I've grown up with this just anti semit you know just you're

00:37:26
you're aware of anti-Semitism this idea of the of how poorly

00:37:30
the Jews have been treated everywhere everywhere.

00:37:33
I mean, there's no, like you said, there's one spot and that

00:37:37
that ended up being after the war.

00:37:39
We talked about it with my my wonderful brother who's World

00:37:42
War 2 enthusiast if you will, and.

00:37:47
I don't get it. I I don't understand why this

00:37:51
group of people, no matter where you are, it's like, oh, I'm

00:37:56
Jewish and and it's just kind of AAI don't understand why.

00:38:04
Honestly, I don't understand why Jews can't live peacefully

00:38:07
without having all these issues. And that's, and that's something

00:38:09
from a guy that admits ignorance.

00:38:12
It's it's a sad, it's a very sad fact.

00:38:15
Around the world, our Jewish people are being picked on and

00:38:19
we have to have securities in our schools.

00:38:22
We have to be aware constantly. We quadrupled our security where

00:38:28
I work, just for the safety of the kids of the staff.

00:38:34
It is scary. We have to have, we have to have

00:38:40
the Dallas Police Department together with us outside when

00:38:44
the kids are playing. Have you found the Dallas police

00:38:46
supportive? Very, very.

00:38:49
The Dallas is supported. The last mayor is actually very

00:38:51
supportive of of all the Jewish community, the Jewish federation

00:38:57
over here, very supportive of the whole community.

00:39:01
We feel there's a lot of support in the Dallas area.

00:39:05
We've seen Israeli flags all over their protests, a lot of

00:39:09
people coming to protest together with Jewish people to

00:39:12
help Israel, and a lot of people are coming together to help.

00:39:18
On the other hand, in the universities over here, there

00:39:21
are a lot of protests as well. I'm seeing them both for sure,

00:39:26
aren't you Trey? I'm seeing both sides and it's

00:39:29
it's wild, that's. What I'm trying to understand

00:39:31
after everything you're telling me, why is there so much pro

00:39:35
Palestinian protesters out there?

00:39:38
Well, because they're. Okay, go ahead.

00:39:40
I'm not gonna okay go. Ahead well, and I'm just seeing

00:39:43
signs is talking about as far as Israel is the worst terror state

00:39:47
in history with child killers land.

00:39:50
Trey, this is what I was talking about before, where Palestinians

00:39:53
are claiming that for years. Right.

00:39:55
So that's why. Years and years.

00:39:56
What are we missing over here though?

00:39:58
As far as what we're not hearing.

00:40:00
I'm trying to learn that. Yeah, I'm trying to learn.

00:40:03
And we have such different social media.

00:40:05
We talked about it before, the social media and the media is so

00:40:08
different between Israelis and what the feeds of what

00:40:13
everybody's getting. And a lot of people are not

00:40:16
knowledgeable enough of what is going really going on in Israel.

00:40:21
They don't know the history of what was going on and it's very

00:40:26
in. Just to pre be pro Palestine and

00:40:30
but you don't really know what you're talking about.

00:40:33
Do you think that it's become a a political topic?

00:40:39
And I and I say that sadly and Trey and I've talked about this

00:40:43
many times on the show in in our serious segments, that it seems

00:40:48
like every, every serious topic is either you're over here or

00:40:52
you're over here. And if you're over here you

00:40:53
believe this way. And if you're over here you

00:40:55
believe this way. And in this case, if you're over

00:40:58
here, you're pro Palestinian and if you're over here you're pro

00:41:01
Israel, Israeli. And it just Do you feel that in

00:41:04
the United States that it's political or do you feel that

00:41:08
there's more to it than that for, for Americans, not for, for

00:41:12
Jewish and the Palestinians? I don't feel right now that it's

00:41:15
political. I was very happy.

00:41:17
Israel was extremely happy and all the Jewish people in the

00:41:20
United States were extremely happy with Biden's speech to

00:41:23
support Israel and to. Erase Hamas and get into Gaza

00:41:29
and get that fixed and do not not to retaliate.

00:41:34
What was going on? Am I saying retaliate?

00:41:38
Is that? No.

00:41:38
That's sorry word. So who are The Who are the pro

00:41:41
Palestinian Americans? The pro Palestinians, American.

00:41:45
I don't know who they are. Yeah.

00:41:46
Why? Why are they out?

00:41:47
There, I don't know why they are, why they're out there pro

00:41:50
Palestine. I hope they're we don't want

00:41:53
Hamas, We need Hamas to be gone. Why haven't any pro Palestinians

00:41:58
stepped up and said, you know what, screw Hamas.

00:42:01
This is not what we are. Why don't you have that?

00:42:05
Why? Why is there a middle?

00:42:06
Why is there not a middle ground where instead of saying you're

00:42:09
either Palestinian and Hamas or you're Israeli, say why don't we

00:42:13
come together and get rid of these assholes?

00:42:15
Right. Well, the way they're making it

00:42:16
sound is in these, some of these pictures and stuff.

00:42:19
It's making it sound like. Israel is just as bad as Hamasu,

00:42:23
but I don't. That's that's get this.

00:42:25
That's the point is why I'm trying to listen to learn from M

00:42:28
and I want to learn from whoever and if look and and I'll say it

00:42:32
with him sitting here and she will like it.

00:42:35
But if any Palestinian supporter with real experience and real

00:42:41
ties to Palestine, if you want to call it that, wants to come

00:42:45
on the show and talk, we'll hear your side of it.

00:42:49
But I haven't had any of that. I've had, I've had a lot of blah

00:42:51
blah blah blah and then they disappear, so.

00:42:56
Somebody with the experience of actually living there and and

00:43:00
doing what's right, not just saying killing the Jews, this is

00:43:05
not OK. What they did to what they did

00:43:07
to Israelis, it it should not have ever happened.

00:43:12
Nothing like this should ever happen to any countries, to any

00:43:15
war, to anywhere. People die in wars.

00:43:18
Nobody wanted a war. Nobody, everybody.

00:43:21
Israel wants to live in peace, but no one.

00:43:25
We're in peace with Egypt. We're in peace with Jordan.

00:43:27
It's been beautiful, but Gaza is not.

00:43:32
The Hamas is not letting Israel live in peace and Israel cannot

00:43:36
put up with it anymore. What you just said was very

00:43:38
interesting. So Jordan and Egypt, you live in

00:43:42
peace with highly Muslim Egypt, I believe highly Muslim

00:43:47
countries. Why won't they take in the

00:43:53
Palestinian Muslims and is that is that a weird question to ask

00:43:59
it just? Seems to be like it seems like

00:44:01
nobody wants them. That's I'm smiling, 'cause I I

00:44:03
don't know. I don't.

00:44:04
I I don't. I don't understand why nobody.

00:44:07
None of the countries. Egypt's right there.

00:44:10
Egypt right there, has plenty of space to have them, to absorb

00:44:14
them and. It's not letting them in.

00:44:18
It sounds to me it's a Hamas problem.

00:44:20
It's yes, because there's Hamas within them.

00:44:22
The terrorists are in them and Egypt doesn't want a mess of

00:44:27
their own. Sure.

00:44:27
Why would? Yeah, why?

00:44:28
Would they want to clean it? And Jordan doesn't want them as

00:44:31
well. Lebanon has their own mess as

00:44:34
well. There's a lot of messes over.

00:44:36
Over and Syria as well. Nobody wants more mess.

00:44:39
They want a peaceful country. And with Jordan, the peace is

00:44:44
wonderful. For years now and also with

00:44:48
Egypt, my brother drives to Egypt with the with the kids and

00:44:52
his wife and they go a lot of Israelis, they go to vacation in

00:44:56
Egypt. It's beautiful.

00:44:59
I I don't mean to push us forward fast, but just for

00:45:01
time's sake, I I, I have so many, I have so many things and

00:45:05
that I want to ask you can you explain again for the layman,

00:45:11
for for people like trade myself, what Zionism is?

00:45:16
I've actually pulled that up. I was curious.

00:45:18
Oh, you so you. Already hear what you what you

00:45:20
pulled up? Are you already knowledgeable on

00:45:22
this track? Well, so it says.

00:45:23
Well then tell me 'cause I need to know.

00:45:25
Zionism is a political and nationalist movement that

00:45:29
emerged in the late 19th century with the goal of establishing

00:45:32
and maintaining a Jewish state in the historic Land of Israel

00:45:37
in the late 19th century. Yes, you're talking about the

00:45:39
1800s. See how you did that?

00:45:42
It says the term Zionism is derived from Zion, which is a

00:45:47
biblical term often used to refer to Jerusalem.

00:45:51
Sorry. The movement is closely tied to

00:45:54
the idea of establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

00:45:59
So this this idea is is there a fight for Jerusalem?

00:46:05
Is that is that kind of what Zionism is, is that they're

00:46:07
claiming Jerusalem as the Israeli capital city versus.

00:46:12
So Jerusalem, I actually learned the last part of it, why

00:46:17
everybody really, really wants it.

00:46:20
So for the Christian people, we have the church view of the

00:46:25
laosa where Jesus Christ was last seen alive.

00:46:28
That's in Jerusalem. I've heard of him.

00:46:30
Yes, and for Jewish people we have the Temple, the holiest

00:46:36
temple that was ruined twice. OK, but the Mikdash and it was

00:46:41
ruined and the ruins are over there.

00:46:44
And that's where you see the Western Wall, where, although

00:46:47
it's called the Western Wall, the Wailing Mall where a lot of

00:46:50
people, millions of people go every year and they pray over

00:46:53
there, and not just Jewish people.

00:46:57
Now on the other side of the Western Wall, we have a lot.

00:47:00
You have a Lacta, which is the mosque for Muslim people back in

00:47:05
the day. It was safe to just.

00:47:07
Walk around and go over there and visit.

00:47:10
I used to. I went there with my

00:47:12
grandparents when they just moved to Israel.

00:47:16
It's a beautiful area. However, it is not safe over

00:47:20
there. You can be lynched or killed

00:47:21
over there if you go over there. Apparently underneath.

00:47:29
Back in the when Jerusalem was not, did not belong to the

00:47:35
Israelis. The Israelis.

00:47:38
The the Arabs built their mass, their mosque on top of the ruins

00:47:46
of the holy temple. And we obviously the Israeli

00:47:55
government will never destroy it for them.

00:47:58
But everyone wants that land because it's holy for everyone,

00:48:04
for all three religions. Now we can live peacefully or

00:48:10
apparently not, right? So let's let's change, let's

00:48:16
shift gears, let's let's talk about here being here in the

00:48:19
United States. And if you will, because guess

00:48:24
what, There are protests. The media is, is is putting out

00:48:29
what they want and I saw an article, Trey, I don't know if

00:48:34
you saw this article about a guy in a protest where they were pro

00:48:39
Israeli and pro Palestinian and they were got together of

00:48:43
course, and a guy guy was killed, he died.

00:48:47
On which side? On the Israeli side, he died and

00:48:51
and my understanding was that he he died from, you know, the

00:48:56
hands of the opposition. Have you heard of this M and do

00:48:59
you know what I'm talking about? Yes, he was.

00:49:01
He was talking about the protests and like, what's going

00:49:03
on? So the protests are all over the

00:49:07
US, all over the world, not over the US We want to bring back the

00:49:11
hostages there, the the, the protests are supporting Israel

00:49:17
in what they're doing, encouraging.

00:49:20
The nation from here, even though we're far away, we are

00:49:24
still together with the nation of Israel.

00:49:27
I'm Israel khai. We are.

00:49:31
That was. The nation of Israel is alive

00:49:34
and we will always be alive. We are trying to help as much as

00:49:39
we can by protesting. We cannot sit silent to see

00:49:42
what's going on, why all these protests are going on the

00:49:46
opposite side. There are violence on the other

00:49:49
side. And this man who was not an

00:49:52
Israeli, he was a Jewish person who lives over here in the

00:49:55
United States, just an old guy, an older man, as he was a

00:49:59
senior. I think he was in his sixties,

00:50:02
70s. He was an older man, yes, I

00:50:03
believe. And 60 two I think.

00:50:06
The pro, the Palestinian, the pro Palestinian protester just

00:50:09
hit him with the megaphone and smashed his head and then the

00:50:13
man dropped down to the floor. And what did you see on the

00:50:17
news, the well in then? You and I had talked about this

00:50:19
a little bit before and I wanted to bring it up.

00:50:21
I, I, you know, I saw a headline for that story that basically

00:50:25
said man falls and hits his head during protests.

00:50:29
So nothing about the So yeah, So what, What's the fear there from

00:50:32
the media? That that's my question when it

00:50:34
comes to as an American, what's the fear for the United States

00:50:38
media to say here's what really happened?

00:50:41
Are they scared maybe that they're gonna ignite something

00:50:43
else? Are they?

00:50:45
Already happening in the United States.

00:50:48
Have you seen what's happening in New York?

00:50:50
No. In New York, they're there.

00:50:52
We live here. If you look so for you guys,

00:50:55
it's not happening on the social media.

00:50:58
We have Israeli people who are filming this in New York.

00:51:02
They're climbing up, taking off the United States flags and

00:51:07
putting Palestinian flags on top of that.

00:51:10
See, that gets me riled up. Why?

00:51:12
They are. Destroying monuments in DC,

00:51:17
spraying them? Graffiti spraying, painting them

00:51:21
with free Palestine? Really.

00:51:23
You didn't see that? Oh.

00:51:25
My God, I see. I gotta show you that.

00:51:27
Show me that this is, this is the problem that I have with a

00:51:31
lot. When you start talking

00:51:32
politically, this, this is people turn the other cheek to

00:51:37
this. And that really fires me up

00:51:39
because this is, this is still the United States.

00:51:42
And if you're going to disrespect it and then then we

00:51:45
need a leadership that steps up and says you're out of here or

00:51:49
or or or there's got to be some sort of a something, some sort

00:51:53
of a punishment for this because it does happen a lot.

00:51:57
It it, it's almost like United States is so scared to offend

00:52:00
anybody anymore. Trey and I, I'm sorry, I'm good.

00:52:03
Trey and I have talked about being offended all the time.

00:52:06
I had no idea that that was happening in New York City and

00:52:08
in in Washington, DC. In DC, I'm surprised you guys.

00:52:11
I want you to show. I want you to show me these.

00:52:13
Yeah, for sure. I'm curious to know why?

00:52:15
Why somebody's so passionate about pro Palestinian?

00:52:20
Why don't they go over there and fight?

00:52:21
Then why don't they go over there and put their life on the

00:52:25
line over there? If they're so passionate about

00:52:27
that, I have an answer. Do you have an answer?

00:52:28
Do you want? Because you're the one I want.

00:52:30
First, they cannot go. First, they cannot go.

00:52:33
Obviously they don't have an army.

00:52:34
They don't belong to the. I don't have any organized.

00:52:37
It's Hamas. Would Hamas not?

00:52:39
It's not an army. It's Hamas.

00:52:40
Would they not just welcome people?

00:52:42
Instead of instead of spray painting American monuments, why

00:52:46
don't they go over there if they're so passionate about it?

00:52:48
Because they're not. Right hand in hand, they're not

00:52:50
really passionate about. It that's what I'm trying to

00:52:52
understand. They they're looking at this as

00:52:54
an opportunity and I guarantee you half the people that are

00:52:57
fucking doing this are not truly 100% Palestinian and blah, blah,

00:53:02
blah. They're looking for an

00:53:03
opportunity to go up to to wreak havoc and that's my opinion and

00:53:10
and that and that gets me fired up.

00:53:13
Now my answer to your question is you you said why don't they

00:53:16
go over there and whatever that that was my answer was I think

00:53:19
there are a lot of people in this country that are looking to

00:53:23
like I said basically look for the victim.

00:53:25
They're they're looking for victim.

00:53:27
The Palestinians. They're they're they're victims.

00:53:30
the US helps Israel. Israel's more powerful, which

00:53:33
they are by, I mean. Look, apparently America helps.

00:53:37
America helps, Yeah. The the Palestinians as well.

00:53:39
We can't just say that. No, I'm learning.

00:53:42
I'm, I'm learning. But at the same time from my

00:53:45
knowledge tell me if I'm wrong him my knowledge.

00:53:49
The United States is very, very, if you, I mean, I hate to say it

00:53:53
this way, but if you had to, if they're going to back Israel or

00:53:56
they're going to back the Palestinians, who are they going

00:53:59
to back? Well, right now the US is

00:54:02
supporting Israel because if if we're going to let Hamas get out

00:54:07
of control, it's going to be all over.

00:54:11
It's already all over the world. Well, it's like they're rioting,

00:54:15
letting any terrorist group. They're rioting all over.

00:54:18
Have you seen what happened in Russia with the airplane?

00:54:23
Russia doesn't allow us to see much.

00:54:24
What happened to? Russia.

00:54:26
Oh, there was an airplane who flew from Tel Aviv.

00:54:32
Landed in Russia, in Tajikistan. I don't remember how to say that

00:54:38
country, Tajikistan, no. Maybe Trey would do, but there

00:54:44
were protesters, 400 of them. They broke down the airport.

00:54:49
They were running around, running around to the airfield,

00:54:52
to the they to the airplane and they wanted to kill the Jewish

00:54:58
people on the plane. That happened about two weeks

00:55:01
ago and then the airplane had to fly off and depart in a

00:55:07
different city because it was unsafe.

00:55:09
The airport was destroyed. So I don't understand why these

00:55:15
are savages. They destroy wherever way they

00:55:18
go. Yeah, and yeah, I'm trying to to

00:55:24
not to not agree or disagree completely just because.

00:55:27
But we're trying to listen to you.

00:55:30
Not. No one gives a shit about

00:55:31
training me. I understand.

00:55:33
I wish there was AI, wish there were people who can you can

00:55:37
actually talk to and peacefully and negotiate and make it

00:55:42
peaceful and make everything work.

00:55:44
But it hasn't happened. For so many years.

00:55:48
And now we see we always knew their true behavior and now they

00:55:53
they show. Unfortunately, I wish they

00:55:56
hadn't. Shonen.

00:55:58
Well, I'm not afraid to say it. And that's what I was kind of

00:56:01
getting at, was that I I am trying not to, But I'll say it,

00:56:05
a lot of these extremist groups exist and it's not just Hamas.

00:56:10
And they're out there and they and it they they they don't want

00:56:12
to negotiate. They don't want to talk.

00:56:15
I don't want to sit around the table and say, let's figure this

00:56:18
out, guys. That's not their goal.

00:56:21
And it's not just Hamas. Did you, did you know that

00:56:24
Hamas? I saw a video of Hamas.

00:56:27
Did I say Hamas? Hamas members filming themselves

00:56:34
slaughtering thousands of Sudanese in Sudan.

00:56:38
I did not see that, to be honest.

00:56:39
I mostly read the Israeli news. And because of there's a

00:56:45
psychological war from Hamas upon Israelis, they're releasing

00:56:49
a lot of little short footages of kidnapped kids, kidnapped

00:56:56
hostages, just to terrorized the mental health of civilians in

00:57:06
Israel. Israel is focusing on how to get

00:57:11
better and how to cheer up. The country so people can live

00:57:15
through the day and wait for their families and for their

00:57:20
beloved family members to come home safely and in one piece.

00:57:24
Is there a a an amount away from what you called the fence that

00:57:33
maybe Israelis feel safe? Like if you get up into Tel Aviv

00:57:38
and north of there and do you, do you have any family that's

00:57:41
that's over there currently? I have family who live in in

00:57:45
north of Tel Aviv, so they're north of Tel Aviv.

00:57:48
So do they feel safe? 10 It's it's 10 minutes away.

00:57:53
No one is feeling safe, right? No one feels safe no matter

00:57:55
where they. Are no one is feeling safe right

00:57:57
now. It came to the fact that they

00:58:00
are like my family. My brother, who lives 45 minutes

00:58:04
from my mom, would not drive on to Shabbat dinner because there

00:58:09
might be a siren going on. And then what do you do?

00:58:13
Where do you hide? There's no shelter when you're

00:58:16
riding with your kids in the car, and that's not safe.

00:58:20
So we cannot do that. God, we're in 2023.

00:58:24
You know back when, you know when Americans dealt with

00:58:27
sirens, the Cold War, World War. World War 2.

00:58:31
You know, the the the fear that it was really the Russians.

00:58:34
I think in the 50s and 2023 there.

00:58:38
There's a country that has people, civilians that are

00:58:40
dealing with sirens. What if we hear a siren on the

00:58:44
way to my mom's house for dinner?

00:58:47
I I just can't even imagine that right now.

00:58:49
I just, I I'm, I'm just. Anyway, I I I didn't mean to

00:58:54
interrupt you again, MI. I tend to do that here on this

00:58:56
show. No, you're not interrupting me.

00:58:58
I wanted to share with you my experience years ago.

00:59:02
It was. Years ago, when my kids were

00:59:05
younger and I didn't have, I only had two kids back then.

00:59:09
We were and maybe I had, maybe I had more.

00:59:12
I don't remember anymore, but he had a certain amount of kids.

00:59:16
But we were in Israel and we had another family member from the

00:59:21
United States who came to visit, and all of a sudden there was a

00:59:24
war that's called Sukitan. I'm I'm trying to figure out the

00:59:28
name of it in English. Operation Protective Edge

00:59:34
operation. Protective edge.

00:59:35
OK Edge. Edge.

00:59:37
Edge. Edge.

00:59:39
Uh huh. Operation Protective Edge, OK

00:59:42
And these were rockets again on on Israel.

00:59:46
I was there with my kids during the summertime for vacation.

00:59:51
Remind me, OK, when was this? 2014, 2014, I remember it was

00:59:55
almost 10 years ago, so it was 2014 and you were there.

00:59:59
And we were there while the Rockets started.

01:00:03
And sadly, my kids were. We got used to it.

01:00:07
You, even as tourists, you, you go, my kids pick ever fluently

01:00:13
and we are in the street, we're driving in the car and all of a

01:00:16
sudden there's a siren. The siren is in the radio.

01:00:19
The siren is all over. You can't miss it.

01:00:21
It's like the tornado sirens we have over here on Wednesday.

01:00:25
Every time I hear it, my stomach turns for a second and then I

01:00:29
realize it's a siren, It's a tornado siren.

01:00:33
And then we. What are those sirens signified?

01:00:36
Is it? Is it that something's come on

01:00:39
its way, or so it's on its way so the missile is on air?

01:00:43
Missiles. Yeah, you have about 5-7 minutes

01:00:47
where I live, where you used to live, My family.

01:00:49
So they've given you like 7 minutes, 7 minutes.

01:00:52
We parked the car, we exited, We're in the middle of the city.

01:00:56
We exited the car, left the car in the middle of the street.

01:01:00
We went to the nearest building, the door was open.

01:01:04
It's a part usually apartment buildings in Israel.

01:01:07
You go down to the shelter with all the rest of the neighbors of

01:01:10
that building and you stay there until you hear the boom.

01:01:17
And then you wait 10 minutes 'cause you have to wait until

01:01:20
all the leftovers of the debris of the missiles will fall down

01:01:25
to the floor, to the and then you go.

01:01:28
However, we are lucky in the center of Israel, the people who

01:01:33
live in the South or in the north who have missiles right

01:01:38
now as well In the north from Hezbollah they have 3 seconds.

01:01:44
So the siren is not even wrong 3 seconds.

01:01:47
How? Why is that three 'cause they're

01:01:50
right on the border with with Lebanon, they're right on the

01:01:54
border. They have 3 seconds to run away.

01:01:57
Well that's that's as if having nothing that was that was people

01:02:02
in Gaza also when they were they were shooting missiles

01:02:07
constantly and not all all, all the missiles were you cannot

01:02:13
shoot that. We have the Iron Dome in Israel,

01:02:15
which makes it extremely safe for us a whole lot safer.

01:02:19
It's still not safe. You still have to listen to the

01:02:22
orders. And once the Iron Dome shoots

01:02:26
those missiles, but once there are so many of them, could be

01:02:30
500 in one hour, the Iron Dome cannot missile all of them at

01:02:37
once. And some of them unfortunately

01:02:41
fall into houses, into apartment buildings where people live.

01:02:48
There was a fall a few weeks ago in Tel Aviv that people are

01:02:53
suffering. People are a lot of people are

01:02:56
evacuated. Cities were evacuated in the

01:02:59
South to the center of Israel. My brother was hosting 2

01:03:04
families. People are moving over here from

01:03:07
Israel. They're a lot of families are

01:03:10
hosting kids and families who live in the South, who live in

01:03:15
the north, who are not safe where they live, and they just

01:03:19
come here so they can sleep at night.

01:03:22
You cannot sleep. My sister tells me she lives in

01:03:24
a safe place, but she is. I cannot sleep in case I cannot

01:03:28
take something to calm me down, because then I'll sleep too

01:03:31
well. And then if I won't hear the

01:03:33
siren at night, I won't be. I learned enough to run away.

01:03:36
I need to take my kids and run to the shelter, and she lives in

01:03:40
an apartment building. They need to run downstairs and

01:03:42
then they need to shut the door over there.

01:03:44
And the missiles are coming from the north, They're coming from

01:03:49
Hezbollah in Lebanon. When's the?

01:03:51
Last one that has gone further than.

01:03:54
Close to the fence. OK, hold on.

01:03:56
I'll tell. You.

01:03:56
I'm sorry I didn't interrupt you and then I'm going to tell you a

01:03:59
joke after. OK, I would love to hear joke.

01:04:01
From him she There was one missile.

01:04:03
There were there was a missile coming from Yemen, from Yemen,

01:04:08
from Yemen, all the way 3 hours, all the way to the city of Elat.

01:04:14
Elat is the southern city. It's on the Red Sea.

01:04:17
Yemen. When did they enter this whole

01:04:18
thing? Well, they have Hamas over

01:04:20
there. So Hamas shoots a missile all

01:04:23
the way to Israel and it lands in a school in Israel.

01:04:28
And thank God there were no kids in that school.

01:04:31
It actually lands. There's a joke that we're

01:04:35
telling. Hezbollah keeps saying that they

01:04:38
have missiles, their missiles are able to shoot really far

01:04:44
away and beyond the the length of Israel.

01:04:48
And he and Hamas is saying that they have missiles that they can

01:04:52
shoot beyond them, the mileage over Israel.

01:04:57
And we're just hoping that they'll miss fire missiles upon

01:05:00
each other. And then we will.

01:05:02
Be there you. There you go from the thousand,

01:05:04
from the north, and you'll just. So let me ask you this.

01:05:07
With all this going on, I know you're talking about the the

01:05:10
hospital where they're trying to the NICU and everything like

01:05:14
that, where they're hiding underneath this hospital, right?

01:05:18
Hamas is hiding right beneath. You At what point or do you

01:05:21
think Israel would ever do this is just, you know what to

01:05:26
sacrifice? This few to save, you know,

01:05:31
Let's get rid of Hamas. Go ahead and bomb that so Israel

01:05:35
will never It's a it's a crime of war to bomb a hospital.

01:05:40
Even everything Hamas has already done, they will not do.

01:05:43
It's a crime of war and Israel will not do that.

01:05:45
Israel is aiding this hospital and I told you before that they

01:05:49
are trying to help this hospital to evacuate.

01:05:53
So they can, I assume they want to go into the Hamas offices

01:05:58
underneath the hospital of Shifa in Gaza.

01:06:04
But right now, Hamas is not letting people leave from the.

01:06:10
Hospital. But you realize the other side

01:06:12
is saying that's not true. Well, you can see, you can see

01:06:16
my news. My news look completely

01:06:18
different. I'm just saying I understand and

01:06:21
I do not and I do. My news are not social media

01:06:26
news. I was gonna ask you because you

01:06:28
mentioned that you, you listen to Israeli news.

01:06:31
I do. I listen to Israeli at home, at

01:06:33
my house. But don't you feel like that?

01:06:35
You you that it's biased. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:06:40
Well, yes. But don't you feel like you need

01:06:44
to to, You know, I try my best to listen to right, left,

01:06:49
whatever in this country. To everything.

01:06:52
Don't you feel like you need to have a little bit more than

01:06:54
Israeli news? I trust the Israeli news with

01:06:57
all my heart. I used to be in the army.

01:06:59
I knew. I knew exactly what was going.

01:07:02
On you don't think there's some bias there.

01:07:04
I don't think there's bias there.

01:07:05
They tell exactly what they what's happening and how they're

01:07:08
helping. And you can see a lot of movies

01:07:10
that they're helping. We see a lot of news in Al

01:07:15
Jazeera. That's the that's the Arab.

01:07:20
Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera, then, is the news

01:07:23
channel. There's a lot of fake news.

01:07:25
There are a lot of fake news in. What if Palestinians said, hey,

01:07:30
look, this, this, this lovely M is saying she only listens to

01:07:36
Israeli news. Well, of course she's gonna say

01:07:38
this. What would you say to that?

01:07:41
I I read, I read English. American news as well.

01:07:44
Listen to the That's my point. I do, but I read news.

01:07:47
I do not go to social media only.

01:07:50
Social media is not my source. That was what my point was, was

01:07:53
that you're not just Israeli 1 Israeli news publication.

01:07:58
No, I watch the news. I watch the news as well.

01:08:01
I mainly listen to the Israeli radio.

01:08:06
And I also because my family is over there and if there are

01:08:09
sirens going on, they tell it over the radio.

01:08:12
So this way I know exactly what's going on.

01:08:14
If they're I, I need to be in touch with my family to see

01:08:17
what's. Going on, When's the last time

01:08:18
your family heard a siren? Or do you know, it was, I think

01:08:24
it was like on Thursday? Well, on Wow, I I was thinking

01:08:28
it was going to be months, but you're telling me last Thursday,

01:08:31
why months? I don't know.

01:08:33
We're going on. But yeah, but they're way NI

01:08:35
thought You told me. So I No, they're not way N

01:08:38
They're just 10 minutes away from Tel Aviv, north of Tel

01:08:41
Aviv. But I thought Tel Aviv was

01:08:42
pretty far away from the fence. Yes, but the missiles get there.

01:08:46
OK. No, no, the missiles are

01:08:48
shooting. They're.

01:08:48
I'm I'm learning, but there are less and less shootings right

01:08:52
now, less missiles, because we are in Gaza and we are cleaning

01:08:57
up Israel. Isn't messing around right now,

01:08:59
are they? No.

01:09:00
And all the tunnels, you should see them.

01:09:02
The tunnels. You can see little Piers, little

01:09:05
holes in the ground next to playgrounds, kids playgrounds in

01:09:09
the Gaza. They they hide their their

01:09:12
ammunition in kids classes and classrooms and underneath the

01:09:17
hospital they have shoots, little shoots that they open up

01:09:21
and then they shoot the missile and they close it because this

01:09:24
way the the drones cannot see the heat come where the heat is

01:09:29
coming from. Well that that's what gets me

01:09:32
when you involved it. All of a sudden the kids are in

01:09:35
the schools and kids and that that all of a sudden I'm I'm,

01:09:38
I'm I'm fired up about that. But yeah that's I don't know.

01:09:46
I mean again I try to play both sides because as an American we

01:09:52
don't we don't know everything. But it sounds like to me it

01:09:56
reminds me of. Trey, I don't know if you agree

01:09:59
with this at all, but it reminds me, I hate to say it.

01:10:03
I'm gonna say it though. You want me to say it?

01:10:06
It reminds me of 9/11 when we were attacked.

01:10:10
It became all of a sudden get em.

01:10:15
There was a, there was a mindset of we're not putting up with

01:10:17
this bullshit anymore. Go and take care of business.

01:10:22
And of course, at the time it was George W and he said, you

01:10:25
know what, we're gonna go and we're gonna take care of.

01:10:28
We're gonna do it. And it was obviously it.

01:10:30
Was obviously more difficult it was Afghanistan caves and things

01:10:34
like that but but it was the the whole country got together and

01:10:36
said we're kind of it was almost like the most that's the last

01:10:42
time I feel like this country was united honestly was was

01:10:45
after that nobody told the United States to go into

01:10:48
ceasefire. I think nobody.

01:10:51
I don't know. They told him to go and get

01:10:53
them. They told him to fight.

01:10:55
I feel like there were some countries that were like, you

01:10:56
guys need to just chill out and not do anything brash.

01:11:00
And I think that's why George W waited for three weeks.

01:11:03
He waited three weeks. But anyway, it's not about us.

01:11:06
This is not about us. But that's what it reminded me

01:11:09
of was OK, Israel was hit by a terrorist organization who now

01:11:16
governs the Palestinians. Am I right as I say that they

01:11:22
were hit and if you're hit by that and then all of a sudden in

01:11:28
my opinion everything's off the table, Israel can go.

01:11:32
You know what? I'm I'm, I'm done with this.

01:11:35
And then they can go and and and in my opinion take care of

01:11:39
business. Yeah, but they were not.

01:11:41
Only we have to remember all the women and children who were

01:11:44
slaughtered. Yeah, and hostages were still in

01:11:47
Gaza underneath those inside those tunnels.

01:11:50
So how do you handle that though and and we don't know where

01:11:54
there's a lot of negotiations right now and hopefully they've

01:11:58
been saying that in the radio for the past few days about

01:12:01
releasing a lot of hostages. 2 elderly women were were released

01:12:08
already. One girl, 1 soldier was

01:12:16
evacuated from over there. But there are so many of them

01:12:19
who are still underneath the tunnels and God only knows where

01:12:22
they are and if they're alive. A lot of them, they were

01:12:25
Holocaust survivors or who were kidnapped.

01:12:28
Seriously. Yes.

01:12:29
Oh, you got to be kidding me. Holocaust survivors who were

01:12:32
kidnapped to Gaza. I mean, they're old.

01:12:36
Trey, this is one of those this is like they've never seen.

01:12:39
That's that's over the line. We would never even even think

01:12:42
about joking about that, but Oh my God.

01:12:45
How do you, how do you have both of those things happen in your

01:12:48
life That's that's crazy to me. So my question, OK, so you're

01:12:53
saying right now there's just under 300 known 239 two?

01:12:58
139, 30 of them. Thirty kids. 30 kids, This is

01:13:04
the tough question. If you had the ability to wipe

01:13:09
out Hamas knowing that some of those hostages would go.

01:13:16
I mean, do you do it? I I will not answer.

01:13:19
That's something for the. You don't have to answer, I just

01:13:21
thought I'd throw it out there. There's something for the IDF to

01:13:23
handle, and they know how to. Who's the IDF?

01:13:26
The IDF is the Israeli defence. Force.

01:13:28
Israeli Defence Force OK, OK, because they will bring them

01:13:31
home. That's that's the issue is that

01:13:34
you're looking at that's the that's in any hostage situation

01:13:38
in in any any, anywhere. What it what?

01:13:43
Where's the trade off? What do you do to you?

01:13:46
What if Hamas says we demand this, this, this, this and this?

01:13:48
And where do you, where do you say, all right, well, we can't

01:13:51
we we can't give you that because whatever we want those

01:13:55
239 people. But and that, and that's where I

01:13:58
feel for it right now because I can't even imagine especially

01:14:02
the people that that friends and family of.

01:14:06
The hostages, Yeah, they're kids.

01:14:08
And and the kids, I mean, and the kids, they're kids, the

01:14:11
three-year old kids, they don't see their parents and some of

01:14:14
the parents are dead. Those kids who were kidnapped

01:14:17
and that makes me sick. Their parents were slaughtered.

01:14:20
Yeah, that makes me sick to my son.

01:14:21
As you guys and Trey and I talked pretty openly, you guys

01:14:25
came in in tonight to the studio and you, you you saw my kids and

01:14:30
and those are the best thing. That's the best thing ever

01:14:32
happened besides Trey. But the best thing that ever

01:14:35
happened to me, they're they're incredible.

01:14:37
And so when you bring kids into with me now, if you bring kids

01:14:42
into the whole situation, it actually adds even more.

01:14:48
And it and it and it shouldn't because it's enough without

01:14:51
them, right? But all of a sudden you're

01:14:53
talking about how many 30, 30 kids, 30 kids?

01:14:56
The youngest is 10 months old. 10 that's that's why would you

01:14:59
make. Me sick to my stomach.

01:15:01
Yeah. Yes.

01:15:02
And some of them, their body parts were cut off and they were

01:15:06
taken like that. I don't even like when my 2 year

01:15:10
old hits his knuckle on the counter top and then he he has a

01:15:13
Boo Boo. You know, like much less this.

01:15:15
And so anyway, there was I I want to share with you one that

01:15:20
I saw the other day. There was an article in the

01:15:23
Israeli news of kids who were evacuated from the keyboard team

01:15:27
over there, and they're talking about that Black Sabbath.

01:15:31
What had happened to them? October 7th, and they're called

01:15:35
the kids of fall 2023, and they will never forget that day.

01:15:41
Those kids, the young kids. And there was one kid over there

01:15:45
and he said he was only 10 years old.

01:15:48
He's like, I had to be maybe go to two funerals of older

01:15:52
relatives when I was when I was a kid.

01:15:55
And now I have. In the past month, I went to 40

01:15:58
funerals of my best friends. My best friends, they're, they

01:16:04
are preschools erased. All the kids in those preschools

01:16:09
where all the kids are dead. They were murdered, slaughtered,

01:16:12
beheaded. OK, kids are gone.

01:16:19
It's very difficult to hear from my end and and Trey, who's one

01:16:25
of my best friends in the world, understands how much I love my

01:16:29
children and so to hear that's hard.

01:16:32
So I'm going to, I'm still going to ask you, and I'm still going

01:16:35
to, I'm still going to take, I'm still going to play devil's

01:16:38
advocate. What do you say?

01:16:43
If you were looking right here, Hopefully Trey and I would never

01:16:47
set this up. If you were looking right here

01:16:49
at a Palestinian woman and she looked at you and said yes, but

01:16:53
you know what? Our kids have been treated the

01:16:55
same way by Israelis. What would you say?

01:16:58
I would say that Hamas is ISIS, and I would say that you need to

01:17:03
before you need to. You need to teach your kids to

01:17:06
be good kids and to be respectful to anyone.

01:17:09
Doesn't matter who they are, Doesn't matter where they come

01:17:12
from, doesn't matter how they look like, doesn't matter their

01:17:15
religion that you need to be respectful.

01:17:17
They need to be a good person and not to teach them to hate

01:17:20
anyone. So you don't believe that

01:17:22
Israeli kids were ever taught something similar?

01:17:26
Never ever. Those people who were

01:17:28
slaughtered and murdered and lived in the Gaza envelope,

01:17:31
which is all those kibbutzim and cities around Gaza Strip, these

01:17:36
were people who lived there for many, many years and they

01:17:39
believed in that piece until the Palestinian authorities wanted

01:17:43
their Gaza, they wanted their own territory.

01:17:47
Those people believed in that peace.

01:17:49
We do believe we wanted to that peace.

01:17:51
We signed. Israeli signed that contract

01:17:54
with the Palestinians. That's what we need to know more

01:17:57
about this contract. Tell can you real sum it up

01:18:00
quickly? I I I was very young when he was

01:18:03
signed. Trey Trey's already.

01:18:05
Look, he's firing it. He's Yeah and I and it's they

01:18:09
signed the Prime Minister. They signed that.

01:18:11
So there is a contract, yeah. OK, because and I'll say it

01:18:16
again, and I and I I don't mean to keep harping on it, but what

01:18:19
the Palestinian argument is, is that their children have been.

01:18:25
Arms cut off, raped, murdered, whatever.

01:18:28
They're claiming the same thing. Israelis will never, never come

01:18:34
off or rape. This is against our religion.

01:18:37
I will. This is OK.

01:18:39
But what are we protect? We're basically.

01:18:41
Just saying that they're they're they're lying.

01:18:43
I am not gonna say I'm sure kids and adults were dying in war,

01:18:50
but Israel will never do that. There is it is Israel is

01:18:55
government is together with the religion and we protect human

01:19:00
beings. It is one of our great mitzvah

01:19:06
to do that's like good deeds. You need to protect an animal.

01:19:10
You need to protect a person. All those terrorists who are

01:19:13
right now in Israel, they have all the hospitalized, they have

01:19:18
surgeries, they are being taken care of.

01:19:21
We do not harmfully. We will never harm.

01:19:26
We will. Israel will never rape.

01:19:29
Why would soldiers, why would they do that?

01:19:31
That's a horrible thing to do. Has there never, ever been a

01:19:35
radical Israeli group? Then.

01:19:38
Does anything like this? I do remember, yes.

01:19:42
When I was younger, there was someone who shot a lot of our

01:19:46
Arabs, but nothing. To this degree?

01:19:49
Oh my God, no. Yeah, I know.

01:19:52
I feel like every group's gonna have some some sort of this is.

01:19:55
Extremist. You know what I mean?

01:19:56
This is this is ISIS. So you're extremist?

01:20:00
Your your response is that OK? And I won't use the word lying,

01:20:05
but they're basically inaccurate.

01:20:08
They're inaccurate. What they're saying because

01:20:10
you're saying you're claiming, as I continue at the mic with my

01:20:14
passion that Israeli Israelis view a a quote UN quote code of

01:20:23
humanity. Which is we would why would we

01:20:26
we wouldn't do that. Even though and again I'm all

01:20:31
I'm doing is playing devil's advocate because what I'm

01:20:34
hearing from both sides is the same exact thing to a degree.

01:20:40
I'm hearing from your side exactly what you've told us

01:20:43
tonight, which has been, you know, just so I mean I've, I've,

01:20:48
I mean I'm learning so much from you and I and I, and I'm

01:20:51
enjoying this, from that, from that perspective.

01:20:54
But from the other side, I'm I'm also getting this.

01:20:58
You don't understand. the United States is pro Israeli.

01:21:03
You don't understand. They've tortured and abused us.

01:21:06
You don't understand because blah blah, blah, you don't hear

01:21:10
about it. And that's why I bring it up.

01:21:14
And it's it's because it's a hard question and it's something

01:21:17
that somebody like myself just wants to know from your

01:21:24
perspective what you, how you would answer that if somebody

01:21:27
literally came to you and just said, you know what, my child

01:21:31
was burned to the Crist but by Israeli soldiers.

01:21:34
And you would say that that's not true.

01:21:37
I I I know that that sounds strange, but you do.

01:21:39
You know what I'm saying? First, I wouldn't.

01:21:42
I wish I would never. I wish I I would never be in

01:21:46
that situation. That means that I've been going

01:21:48
through something like this as well.

01:21:50
I don't want to be in that situation.

01:21:52
If someone like this, I would give him a big hug and I will

01:21:55
apologize for something that it's horrible happened to their

01:22:02
kid and I don't. I don't know.

01:22:07
I don't think it happened. Israelis will not.

01:22:10
Israelis will never burn kids. We are not.

01:22:14
We are not animals. We're not savages.

01:22:17
We are humanitarians and we are looking for peace.

01:22:21
We want peace. We don't want do.

01:22:25
We do not want to kill any kids, any women, any men.

01:22:28
We simply want peace. But they're not letting us have

01:22:32
the peace. And we will not put up with this

01:22:33
kind of behavior anymore. It's done.

01:22:36
I think that was a great answer because I think the idea that

01:22:40
you said, look, if that did happen, you were willing to

01:22:45
admit if it did happen, I would just hug, hug the mother and

01:22:50
say, hey, I I can't believe this happened and and I don't want it

01:22:55
to happen, but it did. And I'm sorry the fact that you

01:22:59
would admit that even if it did or didn't happen.

01:23:02
And it didn't happen. Well, it didn't happen.

01:23:04
I'm not saying that it. No, no, no, I'm not saying that

01:23:06
it did. I was using an example.

01:23:08
I was just, I was just saying hey, if if this is what again,

01:23:12
I'm hearing from both sides. I'm trying to listen to both

01:23:15
sides. And and the the that the fact

01:23:19
that you would sit there and say you know what, you're a mom.

01:23:22
I'm a mom. It's about the children.

01:23:26
Your children. Your child was taken from you.

01:23:28
Some of ours have been taken from us.

01:23:31
Let's give each other a hug and figure this shit out.

01:23:34
That's what I want as an American in the middle that has

01:23:38
no knowledge of any of this. And so I appreciate you saying

01:23:43
that and answering some of the hard questions that I've thrown

01:23:47
your way. We educate our kids to be

01:23:50
respectful and a human being. Americans do too.

01:23:54
Hopefully. And Americans do.

01:23:56
You know, I I really hope that all Americans do that as well.

01:24:00
The problem is with the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

01:24:03
As you can see in the news, they encouraged their kids to hate

01:24:07
Jews and to kill Jews. Yeah, you know, I did hear AI

01:24:10
saw. It's terrible.

01:24:11
I saw a I'm not going to lie to anybody here again Trey and I

01:24:17
Stanley rape podcast. We we try and listen to every

01:24:20
side. But I did see some some videos

01:24:23
of Palestinian children that were asked basic questions.

01:24:29
What would happen if if a Jew came into the class, well we we

01:24:34
we would cut his head off and these kids were seven years old

01:24:38
second grade and I'm and I'm sitting there going, OK, you

01:24:44
know the the the not the jokester side of us.

01:24:47
But part of me was like well that's a a bit extreme and I

01:24:51
started thinking about it and I said is this really what's being

01:24:54
taught. And then and then it reminded me

01:24:56
of 911 and and the celebration that happened over there.

01:25:03
And the kids were and they didn't even know why because

01:25:07
they were just brainwashed. Oh, the towers were oh America.

01:25:12
Yeah. And it was just it was burning

01:25:13
the American flag. It was just celebration.

01:25:15
That's what this reminded me of, these kids.

01:25:17
And it wasn't even they didn't even think about it.

01:25:19
And they were asked the question and it was an immediate chop

01:25:23
their head off. And that's.

01:25:27
That's nobody's answer. Should ever be chop their head

01:25:30
off, right? Right.

01:25:31
Why no, no, no. I did want to mention, do you

01:25:35
guys know that Israel is not 100% Jewish country?

01:25:39
It is. I knew that, but I didn't know

01:25:42
what the the percentages were so. 20 percent, 20% of the

01:25:46
population in Israel is Muslim, 20% Twenty is they're Arabs.

01:25:50
Some of them are Christian, some of them are Muslims and

01:25:54
Christians. Pretty low.

01:25:56
They're not too many Christian people, but they are.

01:25:59
There are a lot and they're all living peacefully.

01:26:03
Students, students from from Gaza used to go to the

01:26:06
universities in Israel and go to school over there and learn to

01:26:10
and learn a lot of them. They go to universities.

01:26:14
They have free. They have, they're accessible to

01:26:17
everything. In Israel, Arabic is the second

01:26:20
official language in Israel. It's all over the signs in

01:26:23
Israel. Wherever you drive, on the

01:26:26
signs, really. Everywhere you go, OK,

01:26:30
everywhere you go, it's all the signs.

01:26:32
Wherever you drive, wherever you go, it's in Arabic as well.

01:26:36
Yes. And some cities that you go,

01:26:38
they're only in Arabic because there are no Jewish people live

01:26:41
over there. But that tells me that am I, am

01:26:46
I wrong here in Trey this that tells me that they're willing to

01:26:51
they're open to to, to both the OK here we're going to put

01:26:55
Arabic on the sign. We all we want to live together,

01:27:00
we want to be, we want to coexist.

01:27:03
It reminds me of Scotland, Trey in the northern part of

01:27:06
Scotland. There's still a Scottish Gaelic

01:27:08
on the signs when you go up there because people still speak

01:27:12
that believe it or not, and and they have it for everybody.

01:27:16
So you're not just English, you're Scottish Gaelic.

01:27:18
And that's what this reminds you're not you're you're saying

01:27:23
you're welcome here. I mean that's that's a way to

01:27:25
say you're welcome here. Anyway.

01:27:29
So I feel like it it's just Trey and I, we joke.

01:27:33
We just, we, you know we we make we tell news stories that

01:27:37
involve all kinds of crazy stuff.

01:27:41
But we really care about serious topics.

01:27:44
And in this case we're we're very, very, very happy to have

01:27:50
you on and we appreciate it. Thank you.

01:27:53
Before we close, is there anything else real quick that

01:27:58
you want to go ahead and just let's get it out there?

01:28:01
1st thank you so much for having me.

01:28:02
This is a great platform and we're trying to voice over to

01:28:07
the world. Bring them home.

01:28:09
Bring the hostages, those kids. There was women back home to

01:28:13
their families, to their beloved ones who are waiting for them in

01:28:16
Israel. Thank you bring them home.

01:28:20
I I don't know how to how that how to do it but there are

01:28:23
people a lot smarter than than us Trey and that that can figure

01:28:27
that out hopefully. And I'll tell you what this was

01:28:33
a completely different show in than we've ever done before and

01:28:36
I hope you I, I want to let you know how much we appreciate that

01:28:40
and how much this will impact us moving forward.

01:28:45
I believe is a show, so thank you for being here.

01:28:51
We'd love to have you back if you ever want to come back and

01:28:54
and we'll go from there. Anything else?

01:28:56
And happy days. Happy days, right, Trey?

01:28:59
Soon happy days. The war will be over.

01:29:01
I hope. Yeah.

01:29:02
I tell you what let's we're going to start ending our show.

01:29:06
Just happy days. Let's just let's have happy

01:29:08
days. Right.

01:29:10
All right. Thanks everybody.

01:29:12
Thank you, Em. And and you know, good luck with

01:29:15
everything and. Tray, I'll see you soon later.

01:29:18
Love you guys. Thank you.

01:29:45
There will not be a stupid Trey quote at this point in the

01:29:48
preceding. So no, not at all.