New here? This episode pulls the boldest, weirdest, and most unfiltered moments—featuring guests like PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk, Gen Z voices, and raw debates on Gaza, racism, dating, and identity.It’s been real. It’s been blunt. It’s been gray.
In this Season 4 finale of Stay in the Gray, Ryan Lafield recaps the show’s most memorable moments—from heated debates and hilarious sidebars to bold guest takes that made people squirm (and think).
You’ll hear highlights from conversations with an airline pilot, a Gen Z guest, a Russian immigrant, and PETA’s own Ingrid Newkirk—plus solo segments that hit culture, cancel culture, and political BS straight on.
🎙 Featured moments:
– PETA President Ingrid Newkirk on activism (and nudity)
– Airline pilot Tim’s funniest mid-air stories
– Gen Z guest Antoine on dating, gender, and generational gaps
– Russian-born Alena on identity and freedom
– Gaza ceasefire, DEI hiring, and how history gets rewritten
– Real laughs. Real takes. No scripts.
🔥 Hit Follow if you’ve been here since the beginning—or if you’re just now brave enough to stay in the gray.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction and Season Finale Announcement
00:57 - Addressing Co-Host Trey's Absence
02:07 - Best of Stay in the Great Podcast
04:01 - Recent Episode Highlight: Wildfires and Leadership
06:42 - DEI Hires and Firefighting Controversy
11:02 - Hilarious Moments with Airline Pilot Tim
18:21 - Dating Disasters and Funny Stories
25:08 - Interview with Ingrid Newkirk from PETA
32:09 - The Power of Gimmickry in Campaigns
33:16 - Nudity and Activism: A Personal Anecdote
34:59 - Discussing the Gaza Ceasefire
36:32 - Analyzing Media Perspectives on the Ceasefire
39:37 - Guest Spotlight: Antoine's Unique Perspectives
48:11 - Thanksgiving Special: Native Americans and Settlers
55:33 - Guest Spotlight: Alina's Journey from Russia to the US
01:02:35 - Wrapping Up: Reflections and Future Plans
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OK, hey guys and girls, special show.
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This is the season finale of season 4 and I'm going to be
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completely transparent with you. This has been a wild ride.
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This has been something, it's a dream of mine, something I
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finally was able to put time and effort into, money to a point,
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and it's just something that I'm finding out that I have a
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passion for. Everybody feels that I've found
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my niche because I can talk. Everybody says you need to be
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doing something with your ability to talk.
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Sure enough, here I am. One of the goals I had coming on
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and doing a podcast was to be transparent with my listeners,
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my followers, my viewers, if you will.
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And part of that transparency will be to tell you that my Co
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host, Trey and myself had a little bit of differences here
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in the last couple of months. And that's why you haven't seen
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him in a while. To tell you the truth, we we had
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some different vibes about how the show was going.
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And so it's just it's paused. I know there are some of you
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that have asked some of you that have been wondering as followers
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of the show. And that's just all I have.
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That's, that's it right now. We're just kind of doing our own
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thing and, and he's a busy guy and we'll see what happens.
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I miss him. I listen back to some shows,
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which we'll get to today. And I was listening back and I,
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I realized there's an element that I just can't duplicate.
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That's something that comes natural to him.
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And like, I hope I have my own that comes natural to me and
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we'll see what happens. But either way, I'm not going to
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go anywhere. I love you all and I love what I
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do here. And I'm pretty sure this world
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is going to give us plenty of material and plenty of to put in
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the arsenal here to talk about as we move forward.
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So with that being said, this finale is going to be cool.
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I've always wanted to have a Best of Stanley Gray podcast.
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And so we're going to bring that to you today and I'm going to
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give you a little bit of of everything That's kind of the
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goal. If somebody says what's Stan the
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Gray podcast all about, this will be it.
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We'll get a little bit of comedy, a little bit of serious
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discussion, a little bit of me lecturing about topics that I
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feel are important to the world, but mostly most important to our
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country. Especially with the last year,
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we've had some of the transitions that are happening
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and some of the wild friction and disagreement in this
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country. You have to talk about it.
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So there's some of that, there's some guests, there's a good
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variety of guests that I've picked out to give you a clip of
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what we try and do there. So I'll go ahead and intro these
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as we go along and I hope you enjoy and I hope it really kind
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of lets you go. Hey, you know, this is these
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Ryan and and Trey and all these everybody involved with the show
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and there are multiple people involved with the show.
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We work hard and I hope that is shown that is displayed in in
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what you're seeing and listening to.
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So that being said, let's go right in.
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Welcome to this day in the grade podcast.
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We explore news that gets people talking by blending comedy and
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controversy. I'm Ryan.
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And I'm Trey. Together, we dive into tough
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topics with a combination of humor and some insight.
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To join us as we navigate the Gray areas of the world and
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we're engaging in real conversation.
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Come get to know us. This is recent.
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A couple of these are going to be recent because I don't want
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you to think that I'm not proud of the current show and the way
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that it's headed. This was not long ago.
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This was January the 14th of this year.
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So about a month ago, when the wildfires had jumped out in Los
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Angeles. And no one knows why the
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leadership was so poor. No one knows why the water
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wasn't there. No one.
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I mean, there were so many questions to be asked about the,
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the response to these fires. And I and I gave my thoughts.
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I mean, basically, I talked about the looting involved and I
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talked about the leadership involved in this segment right
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here. So I hope you enjoy.
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And of course there's looting. You know that I'm reading more
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and more stories about arrests being made.
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There's one, one person that that robbed a house and he was
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sitting there on the curb with the firefighters dressed like
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them after he had robbed the house or before.
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And, and, and you know, these poor firefighters are working
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their tails off and, and risking their lives.
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And this guy's kind of sneaking in trying to what a what a
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scumbag. Anybody that does the looting is
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worthless. Not only are you not
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contributing to society, to society, you're making it worse.
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And they and you know, these people, I think need harsher
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punishments. This is a horrible time right
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now and you're going to go in there and try and worthless.
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And I, and I said it, I don't care what your situation is, you
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don't do that. All right, let's talk about the
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main thing that everyone seems to be talking about, the
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leadership issues. And that part of that is
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politicizing this thing. And, you know, Donald Trump has
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said some things and now the governor of California, Gavin
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Newsom, had said some things and the mayor has said some things.
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And they're all, you know, pointing fingers at the
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different sides. So Governor Newsom, who anybody
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who's listening to the show understands that.
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I'm not a fan of that man. And I don't think a lot of
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people are. Apparently 93% of Americans
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think he should resign. I'm not alone.
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I'm going to get the 7% of you that think he's good and yelling
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at me. I can take it, trust me.
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But he's saying that Trump's the one politicizing this.
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And it's kind of like that's and it was like in response to a
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question about his state and this situation and what's he
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going to do? So get over, don't bring up
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Donald. Just don't bring him up Gavin.
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Donald's not politicizing. He's questioning your
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leadership, as am I and as are a lot of people.
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So do not sit here and and immediately try and go on
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defense, which is what he's doing.
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And usually that means guilt. There's no excuse for this, what
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we're about to talk about. So it's become a clusterfuck.
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And you know, so I'll start with the, there's so many.
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I'll start with the DEI, OK, DEI hires diversity and equality,
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inclusion. Is that it?
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Diversity, equality, inclusion. I think that's it.
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But these hires are being made. Look, I'm going to get this
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right. The DEI hires diversity,
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equality and inclusion. I think that's right.
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Yell at me if it's not. But all these publications are
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now saying it's the right wing that's got this the, the, that
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has this opinion. I disagree.
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I think a lot of people have this opinion now and I don't
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think you can avoid it. What I mean by that is
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prioritizing DEI hires over qualified hires, especially in
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something like firefighting is not good.
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And we're seeing that. Let me go ahead and and explain.
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Let me give you the details. You know, I, I was going to talk
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about why it's so hard to discuss and all these things,
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but I want to give you the details first.
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The example of this is the Fire Chief, her name is Kristen
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Rowley. She's had some issues recently
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with these fires. OK, everyone's on her,
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everyone's on the mayor, all these things.
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But she's the first lesbian chief named Fire Chief that was
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named back in 2000, 2020 2. And if you go to the website for
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the department, priorities for the fire department are a
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culture that this is quote UN quote on the on the web page
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profile, a culture that values diversity, inclusion and
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equality. I think I just did all the
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letters there. Maybe your priority should be
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fighting fires #1 make this a, a, a long #2 away from #1 which
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is helping people in fighting fires.
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This is not good. She launched ADIADEI Bureau in
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early 2023 and emphasized reshaping the fire department
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culture by implementing DEI hire, hiring and promotion
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goals. One goal is to increase women
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who identify as lesbian or LGB, all of it in any of the letters,
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to increase those numbers within the fire department.
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It's important not how muscular you are, how physically fit you
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are, how well you can fight fires and how qualified you are.
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But by God, if you're a woman who likes other women or
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identifies as another woman, whatever else, you're qualified
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over these other people. It's unnerving to me to, to read
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that. But she said somebody asked her,
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you know what, what kind of numbers are you looking at to
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increase it by? And she's like, there's not a
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number. I'm looking for as many as
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possible. It's never big enough of a
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number. I think some people would
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disagree with that right about now.
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But that gets back to my point. Why are we afraid to to call
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this out? And why?
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Why are people? I mean, I know the answer.
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It's politics. I know the the reason that
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people on one side mostly, I don't.
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Like I said, I don't. I'm not going to be a hypocrite
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in what I said. I think there are plenty of
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people that it's not just right wingers, if you want to call
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them. I'm not a right winger.
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I've said it before. I'm an independent who right now
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in the way this country is run, leans towards the right.
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If you want to call it, if you want to divide it, I lean that
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way. If you want to go case by case
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like I like to do, I'll tell you case by case how I feel.
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But when it comes to elections and voting and and leadership
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right now, I'm, I'm over there no matter how crazy some of
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those people might be. So we have to talk about this.
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People need to understand that DEI, there's a difference
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between making sure that we're helping to advance our DEI
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targets and just tossing them into positions over other people
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because of the color of their skin or because of their
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ethnicity and or their sexual preferences.
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There's a difference. There's a Gray area.
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I stay in the Gray. Look what happened.
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This fire department is fucking whacked.
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They are all over the place and they are getting torched, no pun
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intended. All right, I'm really excited
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for you guys to go back to this one that I'm about to play you
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now. This is from season 2.
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This is episode 9 of season 229 and this was back October the
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2nd of 2023. So we hadn't been around that
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long season 2, obviously, but I'm, I'm so excited because one
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of the favorite shows I did, we did Trey was there was
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interviewing one of our very close friends, one of my best
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friends since high school, Tim, who was an airline pilot.
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And anybody that knows me knows that I have a tough time flying
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sometimes. And so I was ready to really get
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him in the seat and just drill him on, you know, stories about
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flying and even how the plane gets up.
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Even though I've been told I wanted to hear again.
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I wanted to hear about his, his close calls, anything that made
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him freak out while he was flying a plane and much, much
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more hookups between flight attendants and pilots.
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There's the whole process and, and you'll enjoy that episode.
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We had fun. Remember that he's a close
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friend of ours. So what you're going to see now
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is probably one of the the most hilarious moments that I've had
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on the show because we are close to him and because he's a good
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sport. I had mentioned that I had seen
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duct tape on the wing of the plane and I asked him about that
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and hilarity ensued. So I hope you enjoyed this clip
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and that you laugh like we did. So enjoy Tim.
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One time I looked out on the wing on the wing and there was
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duct tape. It's not duct tape, person.
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Look. I've seen this.
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I'm like TikTok and shit. It's not duck, it's got.
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Tape. I know it.
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I know what duct tape looks like them.
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I don't have to be a pilot. It's not duct tape, it's called
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speed tape. It's that frog tape that when
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they paint it it, there's no little paint creases.
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In there, anything with tape on a wing doesn't make me evil
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comfortable. Can you explain that?
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Can you explain that to me? Fuck me popsicle sticks and
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stuff in there. Yeah, Why is there tape on the
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wing, Tim? OK, any.
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Kind of tape scotched. Go ahead.
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Did you say scotched? Scotched tape.
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It's not duct tape. All you Tik Tokers and all you
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people out there who post videos of the airplane having duct tape
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on it. Happening a lot.
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Have you not seen it? It's like all over the place.
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So this was this. Happened to me personally, Tim.
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So it's speed tape. It's there because there was.
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A crack in the wing. Oh, there's no.
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Crack. It's something that like, not
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yet, but it's getting there. It's starting.
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I'm not gonna get there. All right, All right, I'll let
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you finish. OK.
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I'm sorry. I'll.
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I'm not a mechanic. OK?
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So my knowledge is this is very surface.
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OK, But that's where the duct tape is.
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Yeah, that's on the surface. Let's move on.
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Sorry. I'll read that, man.
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I'm sorry. No, man.
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I'm no. No, it's just it's there to
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cover something that's not broken.
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It's not broken. There's nothing wrong with the
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airplane. It's just there like if they
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did, we'll. Get Trey.
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Trey, I actually want to know this answer.
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I'll shut up. I'll shut up.
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What? What would be something that
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would be covered? So for example, I'll give you an
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example because this this I know this for a fact because I had
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this happen in. Graffiti or All right, I've OK.
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I'm so sorry. We really, I really do want to
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know. I really do.
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No, you don't. Have you had this question you
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said? Have I had this question?
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People have asked you this, you said.
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I've heard people make comments. Oh, OK.
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Tape on the airplane, yeah. Right.
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Why is it's called speed? Tape speed.
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Tape. It's actually metallic.
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OK, so what's it covering? It's covering repairs that it
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may have been made, right? Not nothing bad.
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I'm talking like, OK, listen, I had to have a windscreen, a
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windshield replaced, right? They replace the windscreen.
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They put the, they do all the glue.
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Just I'm not here's my, there's glue.
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Here's. It's monkey glue, dude.
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Come on. No, no Gorilla Glue, Gorilla.
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Don't tape. Now I'm ready to get on a plane.
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I hate you both. I hate you both.
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It's used to cover something with the.
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Glue. I've learned so much.
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Oh. My gosh, hey, I preface this by
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saying I'm not a mechanic. Like I'm trying to just give you
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just my surface knowledge, but it's not duct tape and it's not
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holding anything together. It's there to protect something
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underneath it. OK?
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Oh, it's there for Oh my gosh. I've learned so much tonight
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that if the wing is about to break gorilla glue and speed
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tape, it's, I'm sorry, Speed tape.
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Speed tape. Holy shit y'all suck.
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No Tim, guys suck Tim. Come on, it's covering
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something. Why?
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Why didn't you give me some heads up on the question so I
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could have done some research on it?
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Because of this exact moment, do you know do you know when
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people. Speed tape.
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Do you know when? Oh my God, do you know when you
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watch the outtakes of movie and everyone just can't stop
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laughing and that's funnier than the movie?
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I'm hoping this is the case and people are just getting a kick
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out of this because I throat hurt.
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This is the most week, Tim. This is the most we've laughed
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in 41. I'm.
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Glad I can be your comic. Relief.
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No, it's not. No, it's not.
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But I mean, you can see how. You can see how we would.
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No, it's funny. No, it's funny.
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And I'm like, like, I don't even know what to say.
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No, but you shouldn't. You admitted that that's the
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point is that if any pilot looks at me and says oh, that there's
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glue or well, it's just like your.
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Car windshield, like what do you think they attach it with?
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It's not. There's no you.
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Can't put a bolt? You can't.
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Put a bolt through glass. It's my.
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Car's in 35 feet in the air. With the pressure, it's all like
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it's all been it's. It's the OK, it's the same.
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We can go flies so. This tape only used for
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aircrafts and shit like that. Like you can't, obviously you
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can't go to the hardware store and just go get this kind of
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tape, but not that I know of, OK.
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I've never seen it at the hardware store.
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So this is just like like space shuttles and man, this is all
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like aircraft approved stuff. I'm gonna see it at Home Depot.
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Oh fuck yeah. Speed tape.
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Let's get this shit. Get it.
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This must be but. It's not for broken shit.
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You gotta put the gorilla glue on for that man.
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You have to cover up the graffiti and then use Gorilla
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Glue. Tim, we love you.
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I mean, I look in all seriousness.
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In all seriousness, I am. Nobody is ever coming on our
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show. No, no, I absolutely.
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And again, I will say in all seriousness, dude, I completely,
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100% respect what you do. All right?
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I hope you found that funny. Tim's a good, good sport, man.
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I think that again, that was just what a fun night and there
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were there was so much more to that.
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So definitely check out that episode.
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Next is going to be back to recently with yours truly behind
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the mic by himself. I wanted to change it up a
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little bit and and everybody involved in this show thought
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let's do something that takes a took a break from all these.
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Just all the conflict that's everybody's so just ready to
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pounce on everything and excuse me.
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So we decided, let's do a topic that's fun.
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And so we chose love, we chose dating.
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And by doing that, we said, well, let's talk about the
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timeline. Let's talk about the history of,
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of love and dating and how unique it is, not only with
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different cultures, but different time periods.
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And so we went back to medieval time, ancient Mesopotamia and
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what they used to do when they courted people, if they courted
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people, the calling cards, the, you know, all the different, you
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know, into where middle school for me was, you know, anxiety
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until you ask the girl to the dance, those types of fun
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stories. And in my nature, I decided to
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share some first date disaster stories.
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And that's what you're going to hear here.
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And I think that it's I think they're pretty enjoyable.
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They're they're hilarious. And my story, my personal story,
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I'll give you as well in this clip, but it might not be as
00:19:42
funny as the two that I share that I read about.
00:19:44
But dating brings on, you know, you just got to laugh sometimes
00:19:49
if they if things don't go well. And I think that's what you,
00:19:51
that's what these people had to do.
00:19:52
So enjoy these stories, take a break from the series and have
00:19:56
some fun here and go from there and hope all of you have found
00:20:00
or will find love soon. I'm going to end it on a on a
00:20:03
light note. And what I mean by that is there
00:20:06
are always these crazy stories about first dates and they're
00:20:09
they're so funny and they're fascinating.
00:20:11
I've got two of them for you, and then I've got one of my own.
00:20:15
That's very quick, but I don't have a lot of these types from
00:20:19
dates. They just didn't go crazy.
00:20:21
There were some that just didn't go well or some that went well
00:20:26
and you know, nobody called the other person.
00:20:28
Some some of that, but nothing that was really crazy crazy.
00:20:31
So let me tell you, this one was really funny.
00:20:32
They're not long at all. We went to see Avengers Infinity
00:20:36
War. In case you want to know which
00:20:37
adventures on the 1st and only date go right to the end.
00:20:43
This is the only date. Everything was all right and I
00:20:45
was excited because I'm a big Marvel fan until the whole
00:20:49
Spider Man and Iron Man's arms scene.
00:20:51
Now I haven't seen it so I don't know, but it sounds like Spider
00:20:55
Man was not doing well. Maybe.
00:20:58
I don't think they were lovers in this case, but I don't think
00:21:02
Spider Man is doing well. And she said she started crying
00:21:04
because she's a fangirl and he's her favorite character.
00:21:08
My date didn't know what to do. He thought something was wrong
00:21:10
and that I wasn't OK or I wasn't enjoying the movie.
00:21:13
He also had limited English so it's hard to explain why I was
00:21:17
crying. The rest of the date was super
00:21:19
awkward as he didn't know what the hell was going on.
00:21:22
Might have something to do with the language barrier.
00:21:25
Although my grandparents, they would have been fine at this
00:21:27
Marvel movie. Then he moved back to where he
00:21:30
was originally from and we never went on another date.
00:21:32
So don't cry in Marvel movies ladies.
00:21:37
You know what, don't cry on Marvel's movies if you're on a
00:21:40
date with somebody who doesn't speak English because you need
00:21:41
to be able to explain that shit. It seems pretty simple to me.
00:21:44
The other one here is is also pretty funny.
00:21:46
I was on a great first day with a guy who went to a bar during
00:21:49
the day and ordered lunch and a beer each.
00:21:52
After many hours of conversation I thought, wow this is so great.
00:21:55
We walk outside and he had parked far away so I offered to
00:21:58
drive him to his car. He promptly gets in the car,
00:22:01
lowers his pants, starts jerking off.
00:22:05
I screamed at him to get out and that was the end of it.
00:22:08
Guys, wait till you know she's OK with you pulling your cock
00:22:11
out before you start jerking off, especially in public and
00:22:14
especially in her vehicle. Man, it sounds like this was
00:22:18
going really well until you pulled the penis out.
00:22:21
Let's use your head gentlemen. Most of these stories are about
00:22:24
some idiot guy. I need a story about some idiot
00:22:27
girl. Although crying at that scene
00:22:28
was pretty stupid. Anyway, my story is is very
00:22:32
quick. I went out with this this girl
00:22:34
and she's just a different and I was probably 2028, my late 20s,
00:22:40
and she was just a whole different ball game from what I
00:22:42
was used to. She was from a very small town.
00:22:45
She here in Texas. She didn't care about sports,
00:22:50
she didn't care about music. She didn't care about anything
00:22:53
really, maybe except for her line of work, which was fashion
00:22:58
and which ends up being kind of ironic because I wouldn't see
00:23:02
her as that, as a fashion girl the whole night.
00:23:06
You listen to me this far and only this show you already know.
00:23:09
But if you've listened to this show before, you know, I can
00:23:11
talk. You're not going to have any
00:23:13
problem at the dinner table talking to me.
00:23:16
But, man, she made me work. Every question was a one word.
00:23:20
Yeah, no, I didn't do that. OK.
00:23:25
Right. I agree.
00:23:27
It was all of those. It was those responses.
00:23:30
And I'm just like, OK, I mean, some of them were like, well,
00:23:34
what did you do for college? Da, da, da.
00:23:40
Would you like to tell me any more about your college life?
00:23:42
I mean, it was unbelievable. At the end of the night, I was
00:23:45
like, she hates me. Like, what did I do?
00:23:47
Maybe the shirt isn't working. And we got to the to the car for
00:23:53
her car for her to go home. And she just embraced me and
00:23:56
like, give me a huge kiss. She's like, I really like you.
00:24:00
I was so surprised. And I'm sitting there going,
00:24:02
what? Because number one, I did not
00:24:06
really like her. She didn't talk.
00:24:08
Maybe it was first aid jitters, but Oh my God.
00:24:12
So I was surprised. Turns out she texted me as soon
00:24:18
as she got back home and she said all I want in life is to
00:24:22
live in a small town in a double wide trailer.
00:24:25
And I'm worried that you don't, you don't want that.
00:24:30
Oh man, I don't want that. I'm sorry, young lady.
00:24:34
I did not want that. And I said straight up, I'm
00:24:36
like, I don't think I don't, if that's what you really want and
00:24:39
that's a deal breaker for you, I don't think this is going to
00:24:42
work. So that's about the extent of it
00:24:45
for my kind of weird date. It was just weird.
00:24:47
She liked me even though there was no, it was just crazy.
00:24:50
There's no chemistry, there's no nothing.
00:24:51
She didn't want to talk to me, but then she really liked me,
00:24:55
you know, I don't know. And she didn't want to stay.
00:24:57
I mean, it wasn't like she just wanted to have a night.
00:25:00
So anyway, that's my story. There it is, dating in a
00:25:05
nutshell. It's just a topic that's fun.
00:25:08
All right, so here's the one that I wouldn't say I'm most
00:25:12
excited about sharing with you. I think it's the one that I'm
00:25:16
most proud to share with you. Trey and I, and the show as a
00:25:20
whole worked very hard to grow. Still.
00:25:24
We're still doing that, but to, to be able to connect with an
00:25:30
organization and by doing such, the president of that
00:25:33
organization was really neat. And that organization is PITA.
00:25:37
Trey and I are by no means vegan.
00:25:40
We are by no means in support of everything that PITA stands for.
00:25:46
We, we don't want animals to suffer.
00:25:48
I mean, in that regard, we align with Pita, but we also enjoy
00:25:54
steaks and hamburgers. I mean, I just point of this
00:25:56
show is to listen to each other. The point of this show is that
00:26:01
we all talk that even if you disagree with somebody that
00:26:05
you're willing to listen to them.
00:26:06
And in this case, we were willing to listen to the
00:26:11
president of PITA, Ingrid Newkirk, decided to stop on by
00:26:15
the show. And when I say that she ended up
00:26:17
doing a Zoom call with us because her Dallas trip got
00:26:19
postponed and she was nice enough to continue or, or to
00:26:23
hold on to her commitment to the show.
00:26:26
So we did a Zoom call for the first time with a guest.
00:26:28
And I'm going to give you a little bit, I'll give you the
00:26:31
beginning of the call. You can kind of see the nerves
00:26:33
on, on our, our end as a show and, and as a growing show and
00:26:37
how to have somebody of her stature on the show was really
00:26:40
cool. And she has quite the the, the
00:26:43
history of her protests involving animals, the
00:26:47
interaction with the cops, with the authorities, with her being
00:26:51
naked for all these things. It was fascinating to hear.
00:26:55
And so we talked a little bit about her, her first story about
00:26:58
breaking into a lab and, and finding out what they did to
00:27:01
these monkeys and in Maryland, I believe.
00:27:04
And then we talked about her hanging naked on a hook next to
00:27:07
dead pigs. You don't want to miss it.
00:27:10
She's a fascinating woman and we are most appreciative for her
00:27:14
coming on the show. So enjoy.
00:27:16
Ingrid Newkirk, go back and check that one out.
00:27:18
That was on, EXCUSE me, May the 30th of 2024, and it was episode
00:27:23
314. So enjoy a little bit of that.
00:27:26
OK, Well, we have, we're so excited to have Ingrid Newkirk
00:27:32
here with us today. I'm going to dive right in, if
00:27:36
you don't mind. Ingrid Newkirk, for those of you
00:27:39
that don't know, is the founder and president of PETA.
00:27:44
Again, if you haven't heard of PETA, I don't know where you're
00:27:46
living. It is People for the Ethnic
00:27:50
Ethical Treatment of Animals. Why did you decide to come on
00:27:55
our show? I had nothing better to do this
00:27:58
afternoon. I love it, I love it.
00:28:02
No, no, no, You are very I, our media department got in touch
00:28:06
with you because you may have said something naughty.
00:28:08
I don't know what you did, but they got in touch with, they got
00:28:14
in touch with you over food, I think.
00:28:17
And perhaps you hadn't tried vegan food.
00:28:20
And they decide everybody must try vegan food.
00:28:23
So they were determined. And then I was coming to Dallas.
00:28:27
That got postponed. And I thought I didn't want to
00:28:32
leave you high and dry wondering who else to shovel in the show.
00:28:36
So I thought we should do it by Zoom if you were OK with it.
00:28:41
Well, we really appreciate it. I, I, we're excited because,
00:28:44
because I, I tell people and, and, and people that have asked,
00:28:48
you know, if you know us and you've listened to the show,
00:28:51
we're not Antipeda by any, any means.
00:28:54
We just questioned some of like you've had to probably deal with
00:28:57
most of your time there. And So what I thought was that
00:29:01
it's a good opportunity to reach our listeners who are kind of
00:29:05
all over the place. And you've already got your,
00:29:08
your following. You don't need to reach them.
00:29:11
And so I'm, I'm excited because a lot of our, our listeners have
00:29:14
questions and they're just like, ask this, ask this.
00:29:16
And so that the the story that got Nicole, if I can say her
00:29:24
name in touch with us, was about a macaw monkey that took a
00:29:30
selfie. We.
00:29:33
We thought, we thought that that case was interesting and we, we
00:29:38
mentioned it, of course, in, in a humorous way.
00:29:41
And I tell you what, either a hashtag or something worked and
00:29:45
she reached right out and, and explained it and I, I respected
00:29:48
that completely. So we, that's how that came on.
00:29:50
What I read was that your first, correct me if I'm wrong, notable
00:29:56
case in 1981 had to also do with the macaw monkey.
00:30:02
Is that right? The experimental.
00:30:04
The Silver Spring monkeys. The Silver Spring.
00:30:06
Indeed. Yeah, in Silver Spring, MD, Yes.
00:30:09
We went into that laboratory not knowing what was there and found
00:30:14
17 monkeys kept in these tiny cages with broken wires, rust.
00:30:23
They had had their spines opened up by a psychologist with no
00:30:28
medical training, no veterinary training.
00:30:31
And that had rendered some of their arms pretty useless or
00:30:35
totally useless. One or two arms and the place
00:30:40
was just filthy, a mess. You could smell it before you
00:30:42
got to it. We found barrels of dead monkeys
00:30:46
actually in the garage. They had died of gangrene
00:30:52
because they hadn't been treated for their wounds and they would
00:30:55
catch their fingers on the wire and tear them off because they
00:31:00
didn't have proper feeling in them.
00:31:02
So all sorts of things like that.
00:31:04
And we busted them. We took the police in and we
00:31:08
brought criminal charges against the psychologist and removed all
00:31:11
the monkeys. Trey was fascinated by the fact
00:31:14
that he read somewhere that you liked or not liked, but you got
00:31:18
naked a lot for these for the, for these types of, of, of
00:31:24
protests types of you're trying to to get through to people.
00:31:30
And the one that got me, of course, and it's, it's on PETA,
00:31:32
it's on the site. People see it.
00:31:34
But for people that don't go look, you hung yourself on a
00:31:39
hook correct next to some dead pigs naked.
00:31:44
Can you, I mean, and, and I guess people can try and figure
00:31:46
it out, but the naked part, can you explain why that's key to
00:31:52
that? I mean, sometimes it must be
00:31:54
cold. Yes, it's yes.
00:31:58
It wasn't particularly cold that day, that day.
00:32:01
But now you're going to lose more viewers when they look at
00:32:04
me and they think, oh God, she's 75 and she's hanging naked.
00:32:07
Or something, no. Well, you know, back in the day,
00:32:13
I mean, sex sells. And if you tell people something
00:32:16
is going to be done naked, everybody goes to have a look.
00:32:22
So we use gimmickry, we use nudity, we use sex, we use
00:32:28
humor, we use whatever we can think of to get people to have a
00:32:31
look or a listen. And so we started the I'd Rather
00:32:36
go naked than Wear Fur campaign 44 years ago.
00:32:40
And now, of course, nobody really wears fur.
00:32:44
Back then, little girls wanted a fur when they grew up.
00:32:47
That was the big thing. So that campaign had Kim
00:32:52
Basinger and Pam Anderson and all these people who people
00:32:55
wanted to have a look, but. Yeah, I think we're interested
00:33:00
in this campaign now. Well, what?
00:33:04
A lot of times they weren't actually naked.
00:33:06
Of course they had a strategically placed banner or
00:33:10
something, a lettuce bikini, but we're.
00:33:14
OK with that too. I'm Googling.
00:33:15
You right now. Well, now we'll go away from
00:33:18
sex, just a nudity is that, I don't know, some years ago, a
00:33:23
few years ago, a few years ago or something, The Times of
00:33:26
London, I think it was, was doing a feature on me.
00:33:29
I was in London because we have an office there.
00:33:32
And the antagonistic writer of this piece said to me, well,
00:33:38
you've been naked so many times, why don't we take a photograph
00:33:42
of you standing naked on the desk in your office?
00:33:46
And I said, it doesn't work that way.
00:33:48
I don't just take my clothes off for the hell of it.
00:33:52
It has. There has to be a point.
00:33:54
So if you want the naked picture, let's go down to
00:33:58
Smithfield Market where all these pigs are slaughtered and I
00:34:03
will hang with the pigs on a meat hook.
00:34:06
And so that's how that picture came about.
00:34:09
And this all these butchers heard that somebody was going to
00:34:13
be hanging with the dead pigs, with the pig bodies decapitated
00:34:18
and even decapitated, they're about the same size as me.
00:34:21
Their skin was the same colour as mine.
00:34:24
You know, they had two arms and two legs hanging there and all
00:34:28
these butchers came to have a look because they thought it was
00:34:31
very exciting. And then they saw it was me and
00:34:34
they were incredibly disappointed.
00:34:36
But I hope I made a. Point OK, I hope you like that.
00:34:40
She she was great. So again, we're not PETA
00:34:45
supporters. I mean, we have now, we have
00:34:47
fancy T-shirts that they sent us and they sent us lunch and they
00:34:49
did all these great things, but you got to listen to other
00:34:52
people's views and it was very interesting to say the least.
00:34:57
Let's bring it back close again in time.
00:35:00
This was very recent. This was episode 426, and this
00:35:03
was January the 17th, so not even a month ago.
00:35:08
And this was involving the ceasefire in Gaza.
00:35:10
Another one of the serious topics we have to talk about
00:35:14
these things because they're important.
00:35:18
This is what people are focused on right now, are these issues
00:35:22
that surround us, that surround the United States.
00:35:24
Well, the United States has gotten involved in many ways
00:35:27
overseas. It just always has.
00:35:30
This is no different. When the ceasefire was announced
00:35:33
in Gaza between Israel and the Palestinians, Hamas, there was
00:35:39
an immediate rush between former President Joe Biden and current
00:35:43
President Donald Trump as to who got this peace treaty negotiated
00:35:48
and it became politicized. So I talk a lot about that, but
00:35:52
I also talk about the perspective of different areas
00:35:56
in the world, the perspective of different publications.
00:35:59
I took an opportunity to talk about multiple publications from
00:36:02
across the world and how they viewed the ceasefire and how
00:36:05
they view the United States's involvement in it.
00:36:08
You know, are we the only ones that we're probably the only
00:36:10
ones that truly care about who ushered the peace treaty in?
00:36:15
I keep saying peace treaty. It's the ceasefire.
00:36:18
We all know now it was Donald Trump.
00:36:19
But why was that so important? Why was it so important to me?
00:36:23
So enjoy this clip. The Al Jazeera perspective is
00:36:26
what I talk about on this. And again, it's an episode you
00:36:28
don't want to miss. So enjoy this one.
00:36:31
So let's talk. I immediately went to Al
00:36:33
Jazeera. Why not?
00:36:35
This is the region Arab countries.
00:36:38
The those are the countries that are often time overlooked by the
00:36:41
United States when it comes to their perspective.
00:36:46
At least that's what a lot of people are claiming.
00:36:49
I'm not sure I'm I'm on board with that fully.
00:36:53
We have allowed people to stand on our soil and scream about
00:36:57
killing Americans. The infidels, they're doing it
00:36:59
right now all over the country and the Palestinian issue and
00:37:05
the Israel issue and Gaza has forced that.
00:37:10
But it's very uncomfortable. I'll use that word again for
00:37:12
Americans to sit here and go, this is happening at our our
00:37:15
universities. This is happening in in our town
00:37:18
squares down in the city. This is and, and they want to
00:37:22
kill us. That's what they're chanting.
00:37:26
They ripped down our American flag and hung a, a Palestinian
00:37:29
flag. Are you kidding me?
00:37:31
We're not going to go back to that.
00:37:32
But this is not OK. So I would decided the bottom
00:37:35
line was to go to Al Jazeera first.
00:37:36
First and foremost, they usually are pretty neutral.
00:37:40
They, they try and really they try not to go One Direction on
00:37:45
this. Unfortunately, they kind of did
00:37:48
on this one. And I, I was disappointed, but
00:37:50
at the same time I understood this is an Arab publication
00:37:54
overall and you're probably going to focus on those people
00:37:57
more so than than not. But let me tell you, their
00:38:00
approach was US pressure as a whole.
00:38:03
So they weren't describing Trump or Biden in the pressure.
00:38:08
So there's still, like I said, there's a heavy bias towards the
00:38:10
Palestinians, the big consensus, and it ended up being on both
00:38:14
sides. But the first was that
00:38:15
immediately all the Palestinians are like, this is so great, but
00:38:19
they're not going to follow through.
00:38:20
Israel's going to this is just temporary.
00:38:23
I just hope I can get home before they go back on their
00:38:26
word. I get it.
00:38:29
But I'm just giving you what they're saying.
00:38:32
The testimonials were were only Palestinians who had negative
00:38:36
things to say, of course, about Israelis.
00:38:38
And it was just, and rightfully so, it was a bunch of stories
00:38:42
about how a bunch of testimonials about the how
00:38:45
horrible it is, how this has been torture, how they hope to
00:38:48
find family, how they hope to go back to a home that's not
00:38:51
completely destroyed. All of those types of stories
00:38:54
about their time in Gaza and, and during this conflict.
00:38:58
And then there are Palestinian groups who are calling for this
00:39:01
accountability from Israel. They want Israel to stand up and
00:39:04
say we're the asshole here. It's all on us.
00:39:08
And I don't think you're going to get that.
00:39:10
Let's just start with the ceasefire.
00:39:12
But to sit here and it's almost like you're saying we're not OK,
00:39:14
We're not going to accept this fully unless you do this.
00:39:19
No, we don't need to do that. Why just have the ceasefire
00:39:23
later down the road, if you're talking to somebody, you can
00:39:25
say, hey, how about some accountability?
00:39:27
But that is not a good idea right now.
00:39:29
Let's just stop the friction. Just do it, Get it done.
00:39:36
My goodness, OK, I could not do a a best of to represent this
00:39:41
show without having this guest on.
00:39:44
And it was very difficult to choose which clip of this guest
00:39:48
because he was on the show three times.
00:39:51
The first time was that when we were audio only and he had a
00:39:54
friend of his, Meg. And we were trying to branch out
00:39:56
a little bit and talk to people that weren't like us, people
00:40:01
that were going to have different perspectives for for
00:40:04
different reasons. And boy, I tell you what,
00:40:06
Antoine. He covered a lot of those
00:40:08
different perspectives. Antoine is, I think he's 23 now,
00:40:12
but he's 22 when he came on the show.
00:40:14
He's a Gen. ZR.
00:40:16
So we, we, we kind of went back and forth with him about that.
00:40:19
And he happens to be a black man and a gay man.
00:40:23
And he, he was such a great sport.
00:40:25
He understood that, you know, the white boys like, like me and
00:40:29
Trey wanted to come on, wanted to have somebody on to, to
00:40:34
really add credibility to what we were talking about.
00:40:37
I want to know what other people think.
00:40:40
I want to know how they feel. It's impossible to put myself
00:40:46
100% into somebody's position. Now, that doesn't mean I can't
00:40:50
have opinions. And that's what I share with
00:40:52
Antoine. We have our opinions.
00:40:56
How do you feel about this? So that I can have at least
00:40:59
somewhat of an idea, the mindset that's out there from people who
00:41:05
experience these things. And that's, that's a long way of
00:41:09
putting it, but that's why this was so important to us.
00:41:12
And I chose a clip where we discuss Blazing Saddles.
00:41:17
And if anybody hasn't seen that, go look it up because I don't
00:41:20
have a lot of, I don't want to take too much time to explain
00:41:22
it. It's a movie in the 80s and it
00:41:24
had a racial undertone to it, but that was the norm.
00:41:27
It was made into a comedy, like slapstick comedy by director Mel
00:41:31
Brooks. Antoine was not familiar with
00:41:33
it, so we explained it to him and asked him how he would
00:41:35
receive it. In addition, we talked about
00:41:38
Quentin Tarantino films and the racial undertones there.
00:41:41
What I loved about Antoine is that he had, no, he wasn't.
00:41:45
He was honest and he, but he had no hesitation.
00:41:48
He wasn't sitting there like, why are we?
00:41:49
Why are you guys talking to me about this?
00:41:51
So there's plenty of other things to talk about and don't
00:41:53
think he did. He talked about his own
00:41:56
conspiracy theories. He talked about just all sorts
00:41:59
of things and we really enjoyed having him on.
00:42:02
But this clip shows you an example of how here at the show,
00:42:07
we really want to listen to all involved and, and every
00:42:10
ethnicity, every anybody's sexual identity, anybody's
00:42:14
preference, anybody's whatever. We want to listen to it all so
00:42:17
that we understand. So check out Antoine and
00:42:22
hopefully we'll have him back sometime in the near future.
00:42:24
Blaze's Hattles is a movie and it's got a lot of, you know,
00:42:29
racial stuff in it. And this is early 80s and what
00:42:33
he does, what he did, and it's very he's not Tarantino because
00:42:36
Tarantino's crazy and he's quite a.
00:42:38
Tarantino should be investigated.
00:42:40
OK, I want to. Ask you about him too.
00:42:42
We can tie these together because his films obviously are
00:42:45
very pro. You know, let's stand up to
00:42:49
racism that had happened in the past and slavery.
00:42:52
He did a couple movies about that.
00:42:54
Well, Mel Brooks did it a different way.
00:42:55
He did it and made it, made it comedy.
00:42:58
Yeah. So he had a, a sheriff back in
00:43:00
the day in this Old West town that was black.
00:43:04
And it was this huge, like, black sheriff.
00:43:08
Like everyone's like what? And it was.
00:43:10
And there were a few things that were, you know, racial in the N
00:43:12
word was kind of thrown around, but nobody got mad about it when
00:43:16
it was out because everybody knew Mel Brooks.
00:43:18
It was just like, in jest. And so with a movie like that,
00:43:22
do you think you could watch it being a Ginzier?
00:43:24
Oh, no. Yeah, it would be.
00:43:25
It would be frustrating, right? No, no.
00:43:27
I want to know. That's why.
00:43:28
Well, 'cause back then, like, I don't know, I think when it
00:43:33
comes to certain things. Trey and I were 3 when this came
00:43:36
out. Play the.
00:43:37
Game. I know you were 10 when it came
00:43:41
out, Don't mind. Shut that mic's going right off,
00:43:44
Trey. Turn it off.
00:43:46
No, but it's like, I think that in the 80s I wasn't alive.
00:43:51
I have no idea. I was about 20 years unthought
00:43:54
of back then like. We know Antoine.
00:43:58
We're aware of how. Young, young and hot.
00:44:00
Young and strapping you are. Yeah, no, but like, like if the
00:44:06
N word's being thrown around, what's a black person gonna do,
00:44:10
complain about it? And the 80s, it's the 80s.
00:44:12
They don't only have any. OK, so.
00:44:13
That's your point with that, nobody but nobody would say.
00:44:16
We have the capital, the social capital to like be like, please
00:44:21
don't be racist, you know, And so and that reminds me of like
00:44:25
when Tarantino, to be honest, I didn't know that he that he
00:44:28
directed Django. I had no idea.
00:44:30
Oh, really? Yeah.
00:44:31
Because I'd seen Pulp Fiction. What did you?
00:44:33
Think of, well, what do you think of Pulp Fiction?
00:44:34
There was. Plenty in that that was so
00:44:36
unnecessarily racist for no reason.
00:44:38
So you were nothing to my plot. OK, So that you you weren't able
00:44:42
to get by it, they bothered you, you can I mean beyond.
00:44:44
That movie, like the entire movie bothered me and I was like
00:44:46
that. So that was my view of him until
00:44:48
I saw Do. You remember that?
00:44:50
The scene in Pulp Fiction. Were they like they raped the
00:44:53
police off? Well, then, that was that too.
00:44:55
But he just kept saying that. Quinn kept saying the N word.
00:44:57
I'm like, why? Well, the.
00:44:59
Well, the scene was at the end when he was talking about they
00:45:02
were trying to get rid of the body.
00:45:04
Oh, yeah, he said dead end storage.
00:45:06
Yeah. Does that look like.
00:45:08
Do I have a sign out front that says that?
00:45:10
Yeah. And it you're laughing.
00:45:12
But it was it was so wrong. But Tarantino for some reason,
00:45:16
always got a pass. What do you think?
00:45:18
Nowadays, not so much. Well.
00:45:20
I think that like socially, same as back then, I would say black
00:45:28
people didn't have the true social capital to like be like
00:45:32
that was actually so racist and wrong and tell about I'm going
00:45:38
to say and tell. I have a number, I have a year
00:45:40
in mind where I'm going to hear what yours is.
00:45:42
Oh, I'm thinking just like 2012. Oh OK, mine was a little
00:45:45
earlier. 2008 I'm. I'm I'm I do increments of five
00:45:51
2007 1/2 like 400. No, I, I was 2002 thousand
00:45:55
5:00-ish. I was doing almost 20 years ago
00:45:57
from now, yeah. Well, I just like just so yeah,
00:45:59
2003 like. Let's just say.
00:46:01
Yeah, just like what I've like, you know, seen and like
00:46:04
witnessed and like, you know, I'm just like, yeah.
00:46:06
And so even like the late 90s, early 2000s, I'm like, that was
00:46:11
still wrong. But he gets a pass because it's
00:46:13
just like it's. Tantino.
00:46:15
I mean seriously, no one comes down on him.
00:46:17
But I don't know, I still have not seen Django and I'm planning
00:46:20
on watching it. Oh, you, Oh, you haven't seen
00:46:21
it. No.
00:46:23
What are you? Are you kind of fighting
00:46:24
yourself on it? Like you want to watch it but.
00:46:27
Why would I want to watch livery?
00:46:30
Because it ends up being a victory for Don't spoil it.
00:46:34
No, I mean, I think that's known well.
00:46:36
I mean the I didn't know about to be honest.
00:46:38
I well, no, but I mean he he wrote it.
00:46:39
He's I mean Tarantino is the anti racist.
00:46:43
That's what he does is so he makes a movie that where where
00:46:48
the the plot is completely racist, but then at the the the
00:46:52
way it twists out of that plot, it it you go, oh fuck yeah.
00:46:56
I see. Like the they're, they're,
00:46:58
they're they've come out on top. Yeah.
00:47:00
And he does that on on lots of stuff, even if it's not just
00:47:03
race. Interesting.
00:47:05
Well, yeah, I don't really know that.
00:47:06
I mean, I won't go much too much into that.
00:47:08
What's it called? What my new favorite movie?
00:47:10
Kill Bill. Oh my God.
00:47:11
You like Kill Bill? Yeah.
00:47:12
So good. Yeah, I like Tarantino stuff.
00:47:15
He's got some stuff, Bill. Was it was so like, I mean,
00:47:18
aside from like. Do you watch just the first one
00:47:21
or do you watch both? I've seen the whole series.
00:47:23
I've seen Kill Bill have. You seen those tray?
00:47:25
Nope. You should check them.
00:47:26
Out it changed my life. I was like, wow, Uma Thurman,
00:47:29
she would like ate that up. She would like was.
00:47:31
Cool, yeah. You know, but so in that one, he
00:47:34
wasn't problematic at all. OK?
00:47:35
It was kind of sexist. And there was like some like,
00:47:37
there was race. In there, he he went from racism
00:47:39
to sexism. That's OK.
00:47:41
All right, I chose this next one because it was very important to
00:47:45
me. And of course I got about the
00:47:47
response that I that I expected. I got a lot of people that
00:47:50
understood what I was trying to say and a lot of people that
00:47:53
appreciated what I was trying to say.
00:47:55
And of course you get the people that that don't want to listen,
00:47:58
they don't want to hear it. They came on the comments and
00:48:00
said, how dare you? Of course, you know, you easy to
00:48:05
say white boy sit in his chair and they didn't listen.
00:48:08
If they did, they wouldn't have approached it that way.
00:48:11
And this was a Thanksgiving special that I did a few months
00:48:14
ago. If you want the date, it was
00:48:17
episode 414 on November 26, 2024.
00:48:21
So this last Thanksgiving and what I really wanted to do in
00:48:25
this episode is discuss the truths and the misconceptions
00:48:31
about the Native Americans and what European settlers and the
00:48:35
the attention that was involved there and the attempted
00:48:38
coexistence. The main point of the episode
00:48:42
was to talk about how this was over 700 years of time.
00:48:46
This was not bad. European settlers come in and
00:48:50
two years later they have intentionally slaughtered every
00:48:54
native that is here and laughed about it.
00:48:57
This was coexistence attempted for over 700 years.
00:49:03
I repeat it because it's important.
00:49:05
It's not as simple as big white man bad.
00:49:08
Oh, poor natives. They were never at fault.
00:49:12
They were. They were not violent at all.
00:49:14
They didn't get hooked on addicted to alcohol and get more
00:49:19
weapons from the settlers so that they could slaughter each
00:49:21
other. There's more to it than that.
00:49:24
And no means am I saying that everybody on either side is
00:49:28
innocent or guilty. That's the point.
00:49:30
It's a perfect topic and example of staying in the Gray.
00:49:35
All that situation was is one big Gray area and I felt it was
00:49:40
needed to be that it needed to be discussed.
00:49:42
And so I did on this episode. I tell you what, if if you're
00:49:46
interested in a different perspective using your brain a
00:49:51
little bit and not just you rolling with the narrative
00:49:53
that's been spread, which is white man bad, Europeans bad and
00:49:58
the poor Native American Indians were good fully, then check this
00:50:04
show out. I think you'll find it
00:50:05
interesting and and write me go go back in there and comment on
00:50:08
any of the social media. Send me a direct message.
00:50:11
I'm so fascinated by this that I will I'll talk to anybody.
00:50:14
So that being said, this, this part of it was mostly because I
00:50:19
got frustrated about the disrespect that people showed to
00:50:22
Mount Rushmore. The Native Americans who now in
00:50:24
2025 apparently are very frustrated about this and have
00:50:30
gone back and flip off Mount Rushmore.
00:50:33
It basically sparked this show. So check it out and let me know
00:50:38
what you think. In honor of Thanksgiving, I do
00:50:41
want to talk about, I mean, why do we have Thanksgiving First
00:50:45
off? But everybody knows and, and it
00:50:48
stemmed back to some of the storybook tales of the, the, the
00:50:52
Pilgrims and the Indians who shouldn't be called Indians.
00:50:56
They should be called Native Americans or Native American
00:50:59
Indians, I guess, if you will, cause Columbus fucked up and
00:51:03
thought he was in India, they became Indians.
00:51:06
So let's talk about that. I mean, every, every image you
00:51:09
see for Thanksgiving and not every image, but, but many of
00:51:14
them are this whole, you know, here are the Native Americans
00:51:17
handing corn. Here are the pilgrims giving
00:51:21
whatever the fuck they're giving And, and, you know, sitting down
00:51:24
at a table together eating. What are you thankful for for
00:51:28
each? We're going to coexist.
00:51:29
Let's work together. Well, if you bring it to
00:51:32
reality, I believe that was the intent.
00:51:34
I believe there was an intent to coexist.
00:51:37
I, I do believe that the Native Americans were like, we've been
00:51:40
here for a while. This is kind of just disruptive
00:51:43
and we're not happy about it. But this, this land is vast
00:51:49
because you were a nomadic people.
00:51:51
You know, how about we, how about we share?
00:51:53
I, I don't know, I, I, I still believe in.
00:51:58
Well, I know for a fact that human beings have been a
00:52:02
explorer, exploration and conquer type species since since
00:52:08
we've known. I mean, that's all that's ever
00:52:10
happened. This was not a first time
00:52:14
situation. It's happened all over the
00:52:16
world. Doesn't justify it, but it's
00:52:18
it's the way it is. It's not unusual.
00:52:22
That's why I had people got so mad at me for giving Elon Musk's
00:52:25
quote about slavery. Everybody's ancestors have been
00:52:30
slaves at some point. Some, some percentage of your
00:52:33
blood. It just depends on how far you
00:52:35
want to go back and where. People got so upset about that
00:52:38
comment, but it's true. You don't like it, but it's
00:52:42
true. That doesn't take away from what
00:52:44
this country did and how how how it affects how it affected
00:52:48
people to a certain point in our own country.
00:52:51
And I agree with that. And so I'm not downplaying the
00:52:54
slavery in this country. But if you want to talk about it
00:52:57
as a whole, you have to include everybody, especially these
00:53:01
people that want to be globalist.
00:53:03
They don't want to be globalist when it's about the bad stuff
00:53:05
about the United States. So let's talk about it.
00:53:08
What got me thinking about this and what got me so frustrated is
00:53:12
you go on social media, which is then tends to be the spark of
00:53:17
all my frustration in life. And you see these, these pages
00:53:23
in these people's accounts that are devoted to Native Americans,
00:53:29
whether it's a, a tribe or a territory or, or land, That's
00:53:34
what these pages are. And and So what you'll see are
00:53:37
just complete, you know, pro and that's fine.
00:53:41
You know, pro, native pro. This, it, it was our land,
00:53:44
little cartoons about, you know, we should have built the wall
00:53:48
here for it's, you know, whatever, fine.
00:53:50
If it makes you feel better, great.
00:53:52
It's stupid. But if it makes you feel better,
00:53:54
great. But what gets me is when you,
00:53:56
when you're proudly post a picture of young girls,
00:54:00
sometimes, sometimes these girls are teenagers sitting in front
00:54:04
of Mount Rushmore flipping it off like they're like it's some
00:54:09
sort of powerful gesture. One of them had a picture of
00:54:12
four Native Americans and said, these are the real founding
00:54:15
fathers. Well, no, they are not.
00:54:18
This was not the United States. This was a bunch of land that
00:54:21
was taken over or that was that was primarily people that were
00:54:29
living on this land were didn't really have borders.
00:54:33
They didn't have any kind of established government.
00:54:35
They had their own, I mean their own type or whatever, but
00:54:38
nothing was the killing each other.
00:54:40
That's a fact. A lot of the issues with which
00:54:44
we'll talk about in a second with, with European weapons was
00:54:47
that they were trying to Indians were so excited to upgrade their
00:54:52
weaponry so they could kill the other Indians.
00:54:54
And no one wants to talk about these things.
00:54:57
And we'll get there. Let let let's you know.
00:55:00
I, I had in the guys put up pictures of, of this, these
00:55:03
these classy people flipping off Mount Rushmore also.
00:55:08
And I'm not sure if they're still up there, but if they are,
00:55:11
you see what I'm talking about. And then what is that going to
00:55:14
do? What does it do?
00:55:15
Does it make somebody like myself go, oh, wow, yeah, these
00:55:19
poor people, by the way, who had nothing to do with, with with
00:55:22
this at all, Not even close. And and that's a great segue.
00:55:28
All right, last one of the best of stain the great podcast, this
00:55:33
one here. I had to include this guest.
00:55:37
There are many other guests that we had that that you know, and I
00:55:39
hope none of them feel shafted that that I didn't include them.
00:55:44
They were all amazing. But what I want to do is show
00:55:47
the the diversity on the show. And what that means is that now
00:55:54
to end this, I'm going to show you a clip of one of our most
00:55:58
recent guests. I would say it was September of
00:56:00
2024 in episode 4 one. So she LED offseason 4, and I'm
00:56:05
going to have her end season 4. And this is Elena.
00:56:09
She is Russian born. The title of the show is from
00:56:13
Russia to the United States. And she came here to attend
00:56:18
college and get a master's degree, I believe, from Russia.
00:56:22
So she spent her whole life growing up over there.
00:56:25
And I tell you what, I, I wanted to, wow, did I have questions
00:56:29
about what it was like to grow up in Russia.
00:56:31
Everybody in the United States has always had this kind of this
00:56:36
kind of eerie hesitation when it comes to Russian people and how
00:56:41
they live, when it comes to their leadership, especially now
00:56:44
with Vladimir Putin. But it was great to have
00:56:47
somebody here who was Russian, who had friends and family in
00:56:51
Russia, in Ukraine, and to have her talk about the war and to
00:56:55
have her talk about Vladimir Putin and Trump and the election
00:56:58
and how she feels, what it's like to what was it like to
00:57:03
adjust to the culture here versus Russia.
00:57:05
I mean, we talked about so many. She's now focused on health and
00:57:10
Wellness. She's doing these.
00:57:11
I called them crazy wild procedures to help people look
00:57:16
good and feel good. And she's, she's working really
00:57:19
hard at that and she's travelling the world doing it.
00:57:21
And so she's a great guest. She we plan to do some
00:57:27
collaboration as as we move forward and I can't wait to have
00:57:30
her back. She's just been so busy.
00:57:33
So hopefully we get her on soon and we start kind of advertising
00:57:38
for her products and her services and she'll be a great
00:57:41
partner in that regard. So enjoy this.
00:57:44
We we give her a little bit of hard time throughout.
00:57:47
So go check the show out. We even put up a big picture of
00:57:51
Rocky 4 on my screensaver just for her.
00:57:53
And of course she hadn't seen it.
00:57:55
So it was kind of a moot point. I tried to buy Russian vodka.
00:57:58
We had a good time, but we also got, we also dug deep into the
00:58:03
Russian culture and the American culture and, and somebody who's
00:58:07
truly lived both. It wasn't like she came here
00:58:09
when she was 3. She lived both and and she's
00:58:12
able to dive into that and we enjoyed it thoroughly.
00:58:16
So hope you enjoy it thoroughly and hopefully, same as Antoine,
00:58:21
I hope we have her back really soon as well.
00:58:23
Alina, I'm fascinated by just the fact alone that you are from
00:58:29
the Soviet Union. Technically, it's where you grew
00:58:31
up. I want to know your story.
00:58:34
I promise I'll be quiet. Right, Dre?
00:58:36
We'll see. And start kind of growing up in
00:58:40
the Soviet Union, because that's as a kid, we grew up.
00:58:44
Not near the Soviet Union. You know, but we, we, you, that
00:58:47
was, it was Soviet Union and there was a tension.
00:58:49
What was it like? What's the difference and what
00:58:52
brought you here and what are you doing now?
00:58:55
Well, first of all, I'll tell you that no what?
00:59:00
No matter what they say about Russians right now, I'm very
00:59:04
proud of being Russian and I don't feel ashamed.
00:59:08
Right to it, right to it. I love it.
00:59:10
So I've been here for 20 years and love the country I love.
00:59:16
I'm very proud American citizen, by the way.
00:59:19
So you got your citizenship? Oh, yes, congratulations.
00:59:22
That's amazing. And everything was legal.
00:59:24
It's not like, you know, people say legal immigrants.
00:59:27
You didn't. You didn't swim here.
00:59:29
No, I didn't swim here, Canoe. I didn't come here by boat, no.
00:59:32
I'm curious, how long did it take to finally get your
00:59:34
citizenship? Because I know that's that's a
00:59:36
long process. Yeah, it is a long process and I
00:59:39
went the right way. So.
00:59:42
So I came from a very intellectual, I would say
00:59:45
aristocratic family. So my parents sent me here to
00:59:48
get my education. Oh, very cool.
00:59:50
Yes, I'm not a mail order bride. What did they have to do to send
00:59:55
you here? Did they have a visa?
00:59:57
And it was so hard? That's what I think.
01:00:00
That's what Tracy question was. How long did that take?
01:00:02
It is it like it's hard. It didn't take us long.
01:00:05
You know, you have to show your assets and all of that and you
01:00:09
know, basically evidence that you're not going to stay in in
01:00:13
the country, right in America. You just for your education.
01:00:17
That was the the sole. Purpose.
01:00:19
That was the goal. Look, I did a masters out of the
01:00:21
country and I so I did the same thing where you had to get a
01:00:23
visa just for the purpose of getting an education.
01:00:26
But you're saying you did this at a younger age.
01:00:28
Yeah. And your parents were
01:00:29
responsible. Yeah, I mean, I mean my parents
01:00:32
had to pay for it. Well, yeah, sure, of course.
01:00:34
Yeah, you know. That's right, you got to pay to
01:00:36
come here. Business, Business School, I
01:00:38
mean MBA, yes, it's. Much but where but you were
01:00:40
young was this before the college level that.
01:00:44
Was no. That was 20 years ago.
01:00:46
This was for college. Yeah.
01:00:47
I thought you meant when you were young.
01:00:49
Young. No.
01:00:49
No. OK, I already had my masters
01:00:51
from Russia and I had two bachelors.
01:00:54
And that didn't count, did it? When you when you came here, it
01:00:58
did count. It counts OK.
01:00:59
In order to get MBA you have to have at least a bachelor because
01:01:03
MBA is a master's. OK.
01:01:04
Yes, well, right. Thank you.
01:01:07
It's OK. I knew that my wife has one of
01:01:09
those things, the MB thing. So how old were you when you
01:01:12
when you came? Here.
01:01:13
That was 20 years ago. Well, you're OK.
01:01:15
Yeah, she would. She's hinted.
01:01:17
Trey. That's fine now.
01:01:18
Yeah, I realized. I realized the question.
01:01:20
I didn't realize the. Question.
01:01:21
You could do your MBA when you were six?
01:01:23
Yeah. Well, thank you.
01:01:27
OK, so you came here 20 years ago to do your MBA so people can
01:01:30
kind of guess. And when you got here, was it a
01:01:34
culture shock because you had grown up completely?
01:01:37
So I want to know about growing up over in the UK I'm sorry, in
01:01:41
the Soviet Union, what was different?
01:01:43
Oh, listen, it was to me. I I didn't enjoy it.
01:01:48
And the reason is we had to all look alike, you know, so even
01:01:54
though you, your family had more power and more resources for you
01:01:58
to wear, you know, beautiful dresses, dresses and things you,
01:02:02
you wouldn't have allowed, my dad wouldn't let me know because
01:02:06
that's unacceptable. Everybody has to look alike in
01:02:09
the same uniforms. No matter what.
01:02:12
It's cool. Yeah.
01:02:13
Everybody has to be in uniform. You can't really stand out from
01:02:16
the crowd. You know?
01:02:17
My dad didn't let me wear nail Polish.
01:02:20
No makeup, no boyfriend. No, nothing.
01:02:23
No necklace, earrings, none of that.
01:02:24
No boyfriends. No, no, no, no.
01:02:27
So conservative. Trey paints his toenails.
01:02:29
Yeah, he can't go to he can't go to Russia.
01:02:32
He'd be kicked out. Exactly.
01:02:33
So there you have it. The best of Stay in the Grey
01:02:37
podcast and you know when you do 33 * 4, I didn't do the math,
01:02:42
but it's behind. I believe it's 132 shows, 100
01:02:46
and something like that. When you do that mini shows, to
01:02:51
go back and choose like 8 clips for only a couple minutes apiece
01:02:56
is really difficult. And I was happy about that
01:02:59
because that means that I had some stuff I was very proud of.
01:03:03
And so the reason I chose what you just heard was because it
01:03:06
gave it gave you a good idea of what we're trying to do when
01:03:11
guests come on. We want to have fun, but we also
01:03:14
are very intrigued by our guests for, for some reason, they're
01:03:18
adding something. There's something about them
01:03:21
that that intrigues us as a show.
01:03:25
The other clips I chose were recent because this is the
01:03:29
direction that I've gone as of now.
01:03:31
I want you to know here's an example of what we talk about.
01:03:36
Here's an example of my thought process.
01:03:39
Are you like minded to this? Are you not, but yet you still
01:03:42
enjoy hearing another perspective.
01:03:45
That's the point of the show. So I hope you enjoyed that
01:03:49
season 5 will be right around the corner and boy, there's some
01:03:53
good changes coming up. I, I sound, you know, back in
01:03:56
the day, Oh boy, here we go. But there's some some really
01:04:00
good changes. There's there's a lot of new
01:04:03
stuff that's going to be happening, whether it's visually
01:04:07
in the cameras, whether it's just topics, whether it's lots
01:04:13
going to be happening. And I'm very excited.
01:04:14
I have a list of guests. I know that this season the
01:04:17
guests were lower. It had a lot to do with time
01:04:21
and, and everybody's busy and then everybody was sick and then
01:04:24
the the change with Trey taking a breather from everything.
01:04:28
There was a lot that went on. And so I hope to have more
01:04:31
guests. I've got a line up and I will
01:04:33
tell you that some of them are quite fascinating and we'll
01:04:37
we'll go from there. So the last thing I'll mention
01:04:40
that I mentioned a lot that we have to mention is please hit
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that, like hit that, subscribe, hit that, follow, throw some
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comments in there. Even if you're not a super fan.
01:04:53
If you are, let me know. Can get you a T-shirt.
01:04:56
But if you're not and you just every once in a while we click
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on it and want to check it out. Follow.
01:05:01
I mean, any engagement really helps the show.
01:05:04
And I think our goals and our mission statement, if you will,
01:05:10
are good ones. I don't think that there's
01:05:14
anything on the show that I'm doing that hurts anybody and and
01:05:18
if anybody's offended by anything I say, maybe you should
01:05:22
reassess the meaning of offended and why you think you have a
01:05:25
right to tell me such. That's the point.
01:05:28
Let's all talk, let's all listen and let's all respect each
01:05:31
other's right to an opinion. With that being said, hope you
01:05:37
enjoyed it best of Stay in the great podcast episode 433.
01:05:41
I will see you in season 5. I cannot wait.
01:05:44
It's going to be great. Love you all.